To be fair, those are all systems with a drastically higher cost of failure than general web development.
Re:I’m done with the web
by GnarlinBrando on Thursday March 21, 2013 @07:26PM
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Not to mention being developed in totally different environments than your average website, application, or framework.
Nowhere, and I really mean that, was the tech as botched as it has been on the web past the early days.