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Re:Diamonds Are Bullshit by uvdiv on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @11:10AM (#5407699)
So far you can realise why that cheap Zin blend from Lodi doesn't really do it for you with the most obvious of measurements: yield! They get even 10 tons per acre there rather than 1-3 tons in a high-quality vineyard. Fewer nutrients and flavours to go around, and more water, sugar and untasty components have to flesh it out (poor overburdened vines, eh!),

I don't understand this. Flavourful chemicals aren't a scarce resource to "go around" -- they're organic compounds plants synthesise "from scratch" (or their reaction products, after aging). Perhaps scarce soil nutrients influence this, for better or worse (I don't know), but this isn't a priori obvious.

Wikipedia didn't help me resolve this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yield_(wine)#Yield_as_an_indic...

Re:Diamonds Are Bullshit by triplesec on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @03:14PM (#5409489)
Look up, for example, why top Napa vineyards go for low yields. It's also basic chemistry. There is a finite number of nutrients in the soil, and the plant can make a finite amount of such things out of these nutrients (like phenols in the grape skins and... er.. this is not my subject, but I can look it up again myself should I have to).
Re:Diamonds Are Bullshit by uvdiv on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @06:24PM (#5410874)
Look up, for example, why top Napa vineyards go for low yields.

I tried and failed (wikipedia) -- can you point me to something informative? I don't know what I'm looking for.

There is a finite number of nutrients in the soil, and the plant can make a finite amount of such things out of these nutrients (like phenols in the grape skins and... er.. this is not my subject, but I can look it up again myself should I have to).

In general they're not finite. Phenols are just C,H,O -- they're made from water and CO2. All of these compounds, as far as I can tell:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenolic_content_in_wine

I haven't found anything that says that, for example, soil nutrients correlate with phenol concentrations in vines (for example). It's not obvious.

Re:Diamonds Are Bullshit by triplesec on Thursday March 21, 2013 @06:19AM (#5414038)
When i have a moment I"lk try to find a source.. In the eanwhile, this is the book to get by the ultimate wine scientist http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520275195