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Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by rayiner on Monday March 18, 2013 @03:49PM (#5396688)
> Possessing email addresses should not be a crime.

Collecting lists of e-mail addresses from private databases without authorization should be.

> Identity fraud for a list of emails? Really?

Weev said in IRC conversations that he was going to sell the e-mail lists. Maybe you don't believe him, but it's hard to argue that no reasonable person could have believed that he was going to do what he said he might do.

> Furthermore, the list was never sold, distributed, or published.

If someone breaks into your house with safe-cracking tools in his possession, he doesn't have to actually break into your safe to be charged with and convicted of burglary.

> There were _no_ access controls;

I don't lock the door to my apartment. That doesn't mean you're welcome to walk in and look around. If we were in Florida or Texas, I could shoot you in the face for walking into my unlocked house and nobody would convict me.

Society charges you with being a normal functioning human being and respecting obvious boundaries. Obviously this is too high of a bar for people like Weev.

Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by thaumaturgy on Monday March 18, 2013 @04:33PM (#5396926)
> Collecting lists of e-mail addresses from private databases without authorization should be.

Unauthorized I can see, but "private"? What was "private" about this database he accessed? It was a public API on a public server with no authentication required.

> Weev said in IRC conversations that he was going to sell the e-mail lists.

Yes, but he didn't. Is he being prosecuted for doing something he said he would do, but did not do? That seems dangerous.

> If someone breaks into your house with safe-cracking tools in his possession, he doesn't have to actually break into your safe to be charged with and convicted of burglary.

This is death by bad analogy. He wasn't breaking into a house, no safe-cracking tools were required (nor, probably, on his person).

Why not argue to the actual point? The list was not sold, distributed, or published -- why is it necessary to fall back to analogy there?

> I don't lock the door to my apartment. That doesn't mean you're welcome to walk in and look around. If we were in Florida or Texas, I could shoot you in the face for walking into my unlocked house and nobody would convict me.

Death by bad analogy, again. Surely you don't think that downloading publicly available data is analogous to B&E? And if the email addresses are so precious as to warrant a 41-month prison sentence merely for accessing them, shouldn't the idiots at AT&T be held at least partially responsible for making the data publicly accessible?

> Obviously this is too high of a bar for people like Weev.

Ah: guilty people are lesser people?

I'm not even sure what Weev's crime was here, in layman's terms. Was it accessing the public API in the first place? Was it sending the list of email addresses to Gawker? Was it talking about doing nefarious things with the list of email addresses? Was it not contacting AT&T first?

If I had to describe this case to someone who knew nothing of computer systems and explain why the 41-month prison sentence was justified, how would I do that?

Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by josh2600 on Monday March 18, 2013 @04:34PM (#5396930)
Is there not some level of basic accountability? I mean, shouldn't AT&T face penalties for hosting consumer data in such an egregiously unsafe fashion?

While I think the responsible disclosure could've happened in a better way, I don't think this is akin to walking into an unlocked house. This is a web server that's only protection was prayer. There was no authentication, no verification and no accountability.

What makes me so mad is that AT&T can be so goddamn careless with my information and skate away free while the gentleman who exposed this lack of attention is sent to a jail for a very long time. It just doesn't sit well with me and I don't think the boundaries are obvious.

I'm not a hacker if I increment a URL by 1. I wouldn't even call you a hacker if you used DNS reflection attacks. To identify cheap parlor tricks as hacking is offensive to the professional breakers and ludicrous in the larger scheme of things.

Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by rayiner on Monday March 18, 2013 @04:42PM (#5397001)
> Is there not some level of basic accountability? I mean, shouldn't AT&T face penalties for hosting consumer data in such an egregiously unsafe fashion?

That's a separate issue.

> This is a web server that's only protection was prayer. There was no authentication, no verification and no accountability.

The protection was the fact that the information therein was obviously sensitive and not intended for public disclosure. In a civilized society, that's all that should be necessary.

> What makes me so mad is that AT&T can be so goddamn careless with my information and skate away free while the gentleman who exposed this lack of attention is sent to a jail for a very long time

He's not being sent to jail for "exposing this lack of attention." He's being sent to jail for exploiting this lack of attention tens of thousands of times more than was necessary to prove his point and for talking smack on IRC that led people to believe that he might sell those e-mail addresses for profit.

Re:“The AT&T Hacker” Sentenced To 41 Months In Prison by smsm42 on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @12:31AM (#5398960)
It's a public issue, so any client who thinks AT&T sucks can go to one of the other providers. What you want, put people that write bad code to jail? You'd need pretty roomy jails then. May as well jail everybody who ever wrote any code at all - some of it most probably is bad.