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Re:Bills seek end to farm animal abuse videos by marknadal on Monday March 18, 2013 @08:21AM (#5393668)
I want to first thank you for being nicer!

Could you explain why the explosion of human population in the last several thousand years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Population_curve.svg) is possible, and why it does not imply success? Particularly with the limited resources we've overcome with the advent of crop rotation, agriculture and farming, technology, etc. - and the limited resources today we are still solving for and continually will do so?

It looks like we need a criterion for "success" and "evolution" and "progress"! I would love to hear your input.

Re:Bills seek end to farm animal abuse videos by aneth4 on Monday March 18, 2013 @09:44AM (#5394067)
The explosion of humanity is possible because of the development of technologies, most importantly agriculture.

Population is certainly a measure of success for a species, however it is not a particularly good one in my opinion.

China's population boom occurred during one of its least successful times in history. China's current success comes at a time of minimal population growth. What's more "successful"? A prosperous society with a static population, or a starving one with a rapidly growing population?

Was China of 1970 more successful than Europe of 1450? It had more people...

Re:Bills seek end to farm animal abuse videos by marknadal on Monday March 18, 2013 @10:26AM (#5394338)
That then depends on your definition of success. Which I still would want you to provide.

Plus, I think terms of "success" with respect to a /nation/ is slightly skewed when compared to the "success" of genetics or species. I don't think that is an accurate cross-comparison.

Re:Bills seek end to farm animal abuse videos by aneth4 on Monday March 18, 2013 @11:55AM (#5394935)
I don't really need a definition of success, but I'd say a society that has a high chance of survival, has minimal suffering, and creates beauty.

Given all those things being equal, certainly a higher population would be more successful. However fast population growth is likely to work against most of those goals.

Re:Bills seek end to farm animal abuse videos by aneth4 on Monday March 18, 2013 @10:52PM (#5398618)
I'd also add to the list advanced technology and knowledge of the universe and consciousness.