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Re:The Ugly American Programmer by tokenadult on Monday March 30, 2009 @12:29PM (#538706)
I suspect it'd be more problematic in for instance Japan, Korea or China.

Linguist David Crystal, who has surveyed world use of one or another "interlanguage" for official use by international organizations, has found that actually most frequent and most exclusive use of English as an interlanguage is in east Asia. It is remarkably "natural" for a Korean person to try speaking English to a Japanese person (even though Korean and Japanese are cognate languages), and it is more expected still for a Chinese person to speak with either of them in English. What I find remarkable, but have observed more than once, is speakers of different Sinitic languages ("Chinese dialects") speaking to one another in English. Online, which is mostly the context Jeff is talking about in his blog, the early inconvenience of typing in the CJK languages (now resolved, as an in-country issue, but still a big barrier to switching among those languages) resulted in much Internet communication in east Asia being in English by default.

After edit: France was mentioned in the reply above to which I reply here, and I'll mention that the Carrefour retail chain has stores in Taiwan, and the signs inside the stores are in Chinese, of course, but also in English, NOT in French. There is no reason of national pride among the Carrefour staff sufficient to overcome the practicality of using English to reach customers in Taiwan. (Taiwan has a large population of English-speaking foreigners, the plurality of whom are Philippine guest workers.)

Re:The Ugly American Programmer by wheels on Monday March 30, 2009 @12:49PM (#538732)
Is that most frequent per capita or total occurrences?

At least with the limited contact I've had with Chinese and Japanese developers the level of English wasn't particularly high, so I guess I'm a bit surprised by that. In the Chinese teams they even went as far as to try to suck in someone from Hong Kong so that he could be the bridge between the Chinese and German (the team I was on, though communicating in English) groups.

Re:The Ugly American Programmer by tokenadult on Monday March 30, 2009 @01:23PM (#538788)
Replying to your reply to my reply to you, my main point is that if a Korean is with a Japanese person, they MIGHT speak Japanese (I have seen that happen), or they might speak Korean (I have seen that happen more rarely), but most likely they would speak English with each other. Add a Chinese person or a Thai to the conversation, and it is overwhelmingly likely that they will all be speaking English to one another. The standard of spoken English varies from one country to another in east Asia. One problem is that many of the better English speakers eventually emigrate. But English is the general language of intercommunication among people from Asian countries, for lack of any other language in which speakers have stronger proficiency that they all speak.
Re:The Ugly American Programmer by jhancock on Monday March 30, 2009 @04:05PM (#539038)
Your observations on English as an "interlanguage" is interesting. I can see this happening.

As to the observation of different Chinese dialects using English as an interlanguage within China (...I assume you didn't mean within China)...this is probably very rare. In my 9 years of living in China mingling with all sorts of regional and ethnic groups, I have never once seen this happen.

Re:The Ugly American Programmer by tokenadult on Monday March 30, 2009 @07:05PM (#539301)
English as an interlanguage among Chinese people has become much rarer since the retrocession of Hong Kong strongly promoted the use of Mandarin there. Most of the examples I had in mind date from the era when an educated Hong Konger would be much more likely to speak English well than to speak Mandarin at all.
Re:The Ugly American Programmer by nandemo on Monday March 30, 2009 @12:51PM (#538734)
I understand that the parent poster's point is that most East Asian software engineers don't speak English well.

Now, given that a Japanese and a Korean are to communicate, of course it's more likely that they will do so in English.