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Re:Jacob Kaplan-Moss: Real World Django by ashot on Saturday March 28, 2009 @04:37PM (#536754)
It seems django would benefit by brining some of this "in-house", either officially or through blessed third-party tools in the same way that rails does.

If deployment and testing is something that everyone has to do in a very similar way should it not be a problem that is solved by the framework the same way that sessions are?

Re:Jacob Kaplan-Moss: Real World Django by jacobian on Saturday March 28, 2009 @11:53PM (#537078)
The thing is that actually very little of this is unique to Django. The types of tools you need to deploy dynamic-language-based web applications don't differ depending what the "P" in LAMP stands for.
Re:Jacob Kaplan-Moss: Real World Django by ashot on Sunday March 29, 2009 @12:49AM (#537118)
That maybe true (Capistrano which you reference was pulled out of 37 signals) but I think my general criticism still stands (+ standardization in and of itself has benefits in that it helps people help each other).

The rails community from the beginning has had a more holitstic view of the problem it is solving.

The third tab on the rails site is about deployment. There are three performance monitoring companies and 6 different rails specific hosts.

Other examples: db schema evolution (migrations) and rake tasks. There is also a litany of useful maintance tools you can find on github.

This is not just in reference to code either, its everything else too, including documentation.

I like django, I prefer django, but in this one critical area, the last mile, rails does better. And its frustrating because its not a hard problem.

Re:Jacob Kaplan-Moss: Real World Django by njharman on Saturday March 28, 2009 @09:06PM (#536977)
sessions are in contrib, not part of the framework.

Some of the testing stuff is "in-house".

It's not even close to true that everyone's deployment is (or should be) very similar. It's a bit more arguable that everyone's testing should be similar. But forcing one way is not the Django way and one of the big reasons it is loved.