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Re:Zombie Startups by michaelochurch on Monday March 11, 2013 @08:59AM (#5356368)
I would really like to see a revival of the path to lifestyle businesses. It's kind of bizarre that it's nearly impossible to start one without putting your entire life at risk. We see these bizarre VC-istan gambits (most of which flame out utterly) because you can start one of those without risking savings and personal liability, but not a lifestyle business. That's bizarre and weird.

Lifestyle business != zombie. A zombie startup is a get-big-or-die beast in which the major stakeholders have lost faith, and for which growth is unlikely.

On the other hand, a lifestyle business capable of generating a mere 1% per week, reliably, is doing well. That's a doubling every 16 months. As long as the company keeps headcount and scope from growing too fast, that's fine.

For headcount growth, anything more than 20% per year is usually unhealthy. It is very difficult for a company to keep a good culture at a faster growth rate.

We need to be realistic. Not everything that is useful can grow at 10% per week, and people who don't want to spend 4 years of their life creating a build-to-flip get-big-or-die venture shouldn't be shut out of entrepreneurship in the way that they are now.

Re:Zombie Startups by icedchai on Monday March 11, 2013 @10:52AM (#5357055)
How are people shut out out of entrepreneurship now? They can still boot strap their own businesses just like anyone else.
Re:Zombie Startups by michaelochurch on Monday March 11, 2013 @11:19AM (#5357227)
Where, pray tell, do they get the money?

This is made even worse by jurisdictions where employers can claim rights over side projects.

Re:Zombie Startups by mindcrime on Monday March 11, 2013 @10:54PM (#5359785)
Where, pray tell, do they get the money?

Their salary from a $DAYJOB?

This is made even worse by jurisdictions where employers can claim rights over side projects.

Pay the couple of hundred bucks to have a lawyer review your current employment agreements vis-a-vis "Intellectual Property" and let you know where you stand. If your employer has grounds to claim your independent work, negotiate a new agreement. If they won't negotiate, find a new job. Or quit and consult part time, or work as a short-order cook or barista while doing your startup... I doubt O'Malley's Irish Pub is interested in your startup's IP.

Re:Zombie Startups by icedchai on Monday March 11, 2013 @11:57AM (#5357510)
Starting an online business is cheaper than ever. Beyond that, you live below your means for a couple years and save up the money.

And, about side projects: work on them on your own time, on your own equipment, and don't compete with your employer. (And most importantly, don't brag to your coworkers about your moonlighting ventures.)

Re:Zombie Startups by 127001brewer on Monday March 11, 2013 @11:32AM (#5357333)
How much money does anyone need to start these days? Are you referring to a manufacturing business that requires initial significant funding for machines and supplies?
Re:Zombie Startups by BCM43 on Monday March 11, 2013 @11:32AM (#5357336)
How do you bootstrap a business without a decent amount of savings and a sizable economic and social safety net? And the whole point of michaelochurch's comment was that some/most people can't bootstrap their business.
Re:Zombie Startups by mindcrime on Monday March 11, 2013 @10:51PM (#5359767)
How do you bootstrap a business without a decent amount of savings and a sizable economic and social safety net?

You work a dayjob, or consult part-time, and build the startup in the rest of your time. It's what I'm doing, and while it's tough, I think anybody who's really committed to their startup would be willing to make that kind of sacrifice.

Or maybe you have a spouse that works full-time, while you work on the startup fulltime. Or maybe you raise a FFF round. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

Re:Zombie Startups by mindcrime on Monday March 11, 2013 @11:23PM (#5359903)
because you can start one of those without risking savings and personal liability, but not a lifestyle business.

Why do you think so? There are quite few types of startups (web based SaaS businesses in particular) that can be built with a minimal investment, bootstrapped while working a $DAYJOB, and entail little personal liability. And creating an LLC as a shield against personal loss isn't terribly expensive either. I'd argue that most people who aren't living in outright poverty could make a reasonable stab at building a business 37 Signals style.