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Re:Show HN: 6 months ago I quit my job to pursue indie dev. ... by ruswick on Wednesday March 06, 2013 @08:47PM (#5335414)

Except, that analogy is true: purportedly, doping is really pervasive in pro-cycling and is basically necessitated to be anywhere near competitive. The same is true of the app store.

It's not optimal, but it's the status quo that tens of thousands of developers face: you can't win if you don't employ dubious means.

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Re:Show HN: 6 months ago I quit my job to pursue indie dev. ... by lambda on Wednesday March 06, 2013 @09:05PM (#5335502)

By the way, pro cycling had pretty much managed to kick its doping habit. You've seen all of the scandals over the past few years because they got more serious about cracking down on it, and once a few of the top pros were caught, they pointed the finger at the others. I think that most people believe that the last few Tours have been clean.

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Re:Show HN: 6 months ago I quit my job to pursue indie dev. ... by erichocean on Wednesday March 06, 2013 @09:32PM (#5335640)

By the way, pro cycling had pretty much managed to kick its doping habit.

Okay, that made me laugh. Thanks for adding some humor into this otherwise rather downer discussion!

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Re:Show HN: 6 months ago I quit my job to pursue indie dev. ... by honzzz on Thursday March 07, 2013 @05:50AM (#5337047)

>> I think that most people believe that the last few Tours have been clean.

I used to race (although not on very high level), I know the environment and I would bet my balls that last few Tours have NOT been clean.

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Re:Show HN: 6 months ago I quit my job to pursue indie dev. ... by triplesec on Thursday March 07, 2013 @12:48PM (#5338990)

Hey I'm interested in this. How are they not clean now? Times are down by about 6% from Armstrong's heyday. I do want to understand your thinking as there may be something I' missing. I'm sure there are dopers, but AFAIK the leading teams are largely much much better now (look at Team SKY)

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Re:Show HN: 6 months ago I quit my job to pursue indie dev. ... by honzzz on Thursday March 07, 2013 @02:46PM (#5339720)

Where did you get that 6% and was that reliable source? And even if that number is somehow "correct" (each Tour is different and it is not possible to just numerically compare them) it does not mean the cycling is now clean, it does not even mean it's cleaner... there are too many factors that can influence this.

My opinion is this: cycling may be a bit cleaner in a sense that maybe doping is not as widespread as it used to be and maybe the effect of doping is more limited because they need to be more careful. But I don't believe cycling is clean now. There are new drugs that are undetectable and mentality has not changed. I believe this is more realistic: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/italian-judge-says-doping-is...

And about SKY team - I have no proof and it's nothing more than just my guess but I don't believe they are clean either. Remember last TdF? They totally ruled, they controlled the whole race. My cycling intuition tells me this is not natural. They certainly compete against some (I would say many) riders who are not clean (some of them even got caught, like Frank Schleck) and they were not even competing on the same level - they were superior. I don't believe it is possible without doping. The fact that they claim otherwise on every occasion means nothing to me - I have seen this too many times.

My guess - and I realize it's nothing more than guess - is that if in 2030 they use their new methods to test today's samples they will find out that there is some substance that is undetectable today.

I would love to be proven wrong on this - I love cycling.

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Re:Show HN: 6 months ago I quit my job to pursue indie dev. ... by triplesec on Thursday March 07, 2013 @03:18PM (#5339916)

I was wrong... it's 10% down according the source I was remembering: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18921784 and the 6 was from the power ratio of the top riders now down to around 6W/Kg.

Read more of the in-depth articles about Sky. Their training methods are hugely different, and came from the GB track cycling programme which has taken the world championships and Olympics by storm over the past decade. They're open about what it is, and unlike with others, it's only the performance which makes anyone wonder. Look at the figures, and remember, they're still 10% slower than Armstrong! What they are using is demonstrable physiological science and feedback: a manifestation of the benefits of the Quantified Self approach!

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Re:Show HN: 6 months ago I quit my job to pursue indie dev. ... by honzzz on Thursday March 07, 2013 @04:18PM (#5340336)

That article is interesting - it made me reconsider my opinion a bit. I certainly can be wrong about SKY team. I would have respect for them even if they were not clean because I have enough experience with cycling to be able to imagine how hard you have to work to get through any grand tour even if you are not clean. But if they are... good for them.

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