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Re:Today's Outage Post Mortem by naww on Sunday March 03, 2013 @01:29PM (#5314651)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumbogram

> An optional feature of IPv6, the jumbo payload option, allows the exchange of packets with payloads of up to one byte less than 4 GiB

Re:Today's Outage Post Mortem by cbsmith on Sunday March 03, 2013 @06:24PM (#5315658)
People are praising the transparency of this report, but I am not sure I agree because of this point. when I read the report, I had to stop to think when I read the part about packet size to conclude that they had to be talking about an IPv6 packet using the hop-by-hop extension for fragmented packets. That is a special case, because you don't actually know the length of the packet until you receive the last fragment.

As a consequence, fragmented ipv6 packets are error for use in DoS attacks. This is not a "weird" occurrence, but rather an expected one, and since end points are not required to accept such huge packets, I am surprised Cloud flare want already doing all it could to advertise to upstream sources that IPv6 fragments longer than a much smaller than 90K should be dropped, at least if rooted to their DNS. I am also surprised that when their software came up with that kind of a response without first validating that it wouldn't cause the exact memory problem it did. Rules on v6 fragmented packets that can't match on a single fragment are inherently dangerous. It is only reasonable to have safe guards already in place for them.

I am also not sure this is really a bug in Juniper software. I imagine the memory problem only shows up with high traffic and in the midst of a DoS attack. That is kind of a given when you put a rule like that in that kind of a situation.

Re:Today's Outage Post Mortem by mprovost on Sunday March 03, 2013 @02:40PM (#5314963)
Yes but they were still seeing packets bigger than the MTU of Ethernet (or Sonet or whatever other layer 1/2 tech they're connected to the rest of the net with). It doesn't matter what higher level protocols can handle.
Re:Today's Outage Post Mortem by bdonlan on Sunday March 03, 2013 @03:22PM (#5315113)
They could've been fragmented IPv6 packets. Or it could've been a bug in their profiler.
Re:Today's Outage Post Mortem by pyvpx on Sunday March 03, 2013 @04:19PM (#5315282)
which is precisely why it seems like lunacy to roll out such an asinine firewall rule to every router. if there was ever a time to "spot check" a change, this was it.

they didn't. and they paid the price. good on 'em for the quick and honest post-mortem. regardless, it was a dumb move.

Re:Today's Outage Post Mortem by cbsmith on Sunday March 03, 2013 @06:02PM (#5315588)
You are joking right? The packet size at the higher layer is what they were matching against. The size of the layer 2 packets is irrelevant.
Re:Today's Outage Post Mortem by noselasd on Monday March 04, 2013 @09:07AM (#5318209)
Maybe, but nothing in the the rule they showed hinted it was not at layer 3 (For IPv4 )
Re:Today's Outage Post Mortem by cbsmith on Monday March 04, 2013 @12:14PM (#5319195)
It is at layer 3. IPv6 is layer 3.
Re:Today's Outage Post Mortem by noselasd on Monday March 04, 2013 @04:08PM (#5320955)
If it was IPv6, I'd assume the routing rule on their blog contained IPv6 addreses, not IPv4 addresses, even if the blog faked the IP addresses.
Re:Today's Outage Post Mortem by cbsmith on Monday March 04, 2013 @10:34PM (#5322721)
Perhaps then you aren't aware that IPv6 stacks can reach IPv4 addresses, nor that IPv6 packets are a popular way to compromise systems that support both IPv6 and IPv4, because the IPv6 stacks are not as well hardened.