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Re:The Secret Tesla Motors Master Plan (2006) by jessriedel on Sunday March 03, 2013 @02:41AM (#5312880)
Seems like you could easily diversify away most of the wind risk by building wind turbines in many locations and just moving the power (with loss). Also, whatever the cost of solving the storage issue for solar also solves the wind issue, unless storage is only possible over some intermediate time scale. My understanding is that most of the plausible storage mechanisms (pressure, gravitational potential) can store essentially indefinitely, although maybe total capacity is an issue.

Without more info, I really don't think it's clear cut.

Re:The Secret Tesla Motors Master Plan (2006) by InclinedPlane on Sunday March 03, 2013 @02:13PM (#5314854)
You'd think so but that's not the case. Sometimes there isn't enough wind power in an entire continent to provide power, and this could potentially last for days, even weeks. It's simply not practical to use wind power as base load power.

If you look at the Netherlands, for example, you'll see that the way they've always used wind power is for pumping water (draining the polders). And there it doesn't much matter what the instantaneous amount of wind power available is, or even if the windmills are stagnant for a while. All that matters is that over a long period of time you end up with around the same amount of average power produced, and that's what wind power is good at. Potentially it would make sense to use wind turbines for powering specific sorts of activities that didn't rely on low latency of power production and could be automated (perhaps water desalination, for example). But using it as base power is a far more troublesome prospect than using solar.

Re:The Secret Tesla Motors Master Plan (2006) by jessriedel on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:48PM (#5320364)
> Sometimes there isn't enough wind power in an entire continent to provide power, and this could potentially last for days, even weeks.

Do you have a reference you could link me to?

Also, any reason to think this can't be solved by pumped-storage hydroelectricity?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-storage_hydroelectricity

The world uses ~2,000 GW and has ~100 GW of PSH capacity. Scaling up by a factor of 20 would be expensive because the low hanging fruit has been taken, but it really doesn't seem that bad if it means our base generators are half (or less) as expensive. See, for example, this take in Scientific American:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=here-is-the...

Hell, even storing it in batteries isn't that expensive:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-23/duke-completes-bigg...

($44 million for 36 MW, which is added to the typical costs of wind turbines of ~$2 million per MW.)