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Re:Evernote hacked by pixl97 on Saturday March 02, 2013 @07:49PM (#5311940)
With publicly creatable accounts by the potential hacker, a pepper is just another password.

Leaving identifiable bits in the hash makes it easier to do things like

if pass_type ($1$) { on_logon $upgrade_to_pass_type$6$)

> At worse, you slow them down a bit, allowing you to do things like mass-email everybody affected.

If you ever know at all.

Better to use 'not fast' hashes like bcrypt, scrypt, or PB(something) that requires far more work and far slower cracking.

Re:Evernote hacked by cschneid on Monday March 04, 2013 @12:27AM (#5316817)
Re pepper: It's a STRONG password. It turns '12345' into 64 random characters + '12345'. Meaning that you can't brute force against a dictionary, unless you have that pepper value. Which is only stored on the production system. This turns a well-known attack vector of "developer loses a data dump" into something that won't expose passwords.

Re hash: yeah, use a strong hash function. Never advocated otherwise.

Defense in depth is awesome, and not to be ignored. Just like we secure the database with a password, in addition to securing the server (with ssh keys), in addition to keeping software up to date, in addition to rate-limiting online password attempts, in addition to... well, you get the idea. Protect at every level. Make the attacker work as hard as possible.