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Re:Torvalds clarifies Linux's Windows 8 Secure Boot position by _account on Thursday February 28, 2013 @12:05PM (#5299584)
Physical access is god access. Admin/root is god access.

Guard them both with your life.

I fail to see how handing over control of your boot to some 3rd party who clearly doesn't have the same interests that you do is anything but a horrible idea.

Just physically secure your boxes(or VDI them) and use permissions and ACLs to do what they were designed to do[control and delegate authority].

A good first step for Microsoft, if it cares so much about security, is to stop making its users automagically admin for fogging a mirror, during new PC setup.

Re:Torvalds clarifies Linux's Windows 8 Secure Boot position by csense on Thursday February 28, 2013 @07:07PM (#5301954)
> handing over control of your boot to some 3rd party...a horrible idea

It's actually a good idea if you're the party who's getting authority over the world's computers handed over to it.

> use permissions and ACL

I still have no idea how these work in the Windows world [1]. There's nowhere obvious in the UI or the "dir" command that shows you what the ownership and permission is [2], unlike Linux's ls -al.

My one experience with Windows permissions is, in the early '00s, I put an NTFS partition on an external drive because I wanted to put >4GB files on it. I copied them and got a bunch of permissions errors opening them on another computer. My impression of Windows access controls from this: They're invisible things the OS attaches to your files which will potentially make them unreadable later.

[1] I understand there's something called ACL's in Linux too, but I never use them.

[2] I don't have much experience with multi-user Windows systems, and Linux has been my main OS for 3-4 years so I don't have as much experience with post-XP OS's.