"they should react angrily"
That might be part of the solution, but isn't it important for us to make a proactive effort to do whatever we can to encourage a professional, non-sexist environment?
You say there will always be horny people, but isn't it our place to make this a taboo?
None of this may be unique to the tech sector, but aren't we a forward-looking industry that isn't afraid of changing the world?
Re:Sexism In Tech: We’re Not Making It Up
by jasonshen on Monday February 25, 2013 @01:30PM
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Your suggestion that "there will always be socially restarted people" perpetuates the idea that things can't improve. Violent crime and overt prejudice to minorities and LGBT folks have gone down over time because it became a big deal. What we just said "there will always be bigots" and then stopped caring, that progress never would have happened.
Change is possible and we should strive to make it happen.
Re:Sexism In Tech: We’re Not Making It Up
by Hairy_Sandwich on Monday February 25, 2013 @02:33PM
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Well what I was saying is that the women should make it obvious that they don't tolerate this behaviour. So that even somebody who's a little slow socially will get the message. Don't spare their feelings, just get the message across I guess.
Re:Sexism In Tech: We’re Not Making It Up
by steveklabnik on Monday February 25, 2013 @02:54PM
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Yes, who cares about the safety of the victim, let's prioritize the feelings of the attacker.
Re:Sexism In Tech: We’re Not Making It Up
by Hairy_Sandwich on Monday February 25, 2013 @05:43PM
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That's what I said
"Don't spare their feelings, just get the message across I guess."
I don't even know what you are trying to say....
Re:Sexism In Tech: We’re Not Making It Up
by steveklabnik on Monday February 25, 2013 @05:57PM
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Ahhhhh. I apologize. Because you said "I guess" I thought you were implying that you weren't very happy with this idea.
Tone is hard on Hacker News. I apologize.
However, there will always be a set of socially retarded people, there will always be horny people, and there will always be people who posses both attributes at the same time. There are a lot of socially awkward people in tech, I don't know what you can do about this problem.
If you have an attractive physique as a woman, and you wear clothes that don't hide or minimize this fact, then men will notice, and some will comment on it, and some will even be inappropriate about it. As a remedy the women should get mad, she should tell them off. However you could even make inappropriate comments punishable by DEATH. I guarantee that not even the death penalty will stop inappropriate comments, or some guy putting a hand on your knee type of stuff. Even if the women wore a burqua, that wouldn't stop it, some guy would find that hot, "hey baby, what's under the burqua?". I don't have the answer, I don't think there is an answer. Possibly when these issues occur the women are reacting politely when they should react angrily so the offender gets the correct feedback often enough to realize that he is the problem.