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Re:Why Use Make by niggler on Sunday February 24, 2013 @04:09PM (#5275932)
"But I think the metrics you've chosen are irrelevant."

Nothing is more frustrating than discovering that you need to install a new component or build system just to build a specific component. It gets worse when dealing with multiple external components in different build systems.

"It's also very hard to learn and very difficult to maintain"

I agree insofar as most people go into make without trying to learn it properly. There's a manpage and pretty good documentation for the GNU extensions. But in my experience, with custom build setups using stuff like Maven, a lot of time is spent fighting the build system when a simple Makefile would suffice.

"with the added benefit of not having to learn a new language."

You've shifted the burden from "learning a new but very simple language" to "learning a framework atop your language", which (based on my reading of gradle's docs) is not very concise.

Re:Why Use Make by wtracy on Sunday February 24, 2013 @06:54PM (#5276530)
> Nothing is more frustrating than discovering that you need to install a new component or build system just to build a specific component.

If you're talking about a FOSS component that random people will have to rebuild: Yes, absolutely. (Go listen to the Linux From Scratch community complain about CMake!)

If you're talking about a proprietary project that will only be distributed as binaries, or maybe even not distributed externally at all, why not pick the best tool for the job?

Re:Why Use Make by imissmyjuno on Sunday February 24, 2013 @04:22PM (#5275969)
Indeed, mseebach's answer is really saying that those metrics are irrelevant to him.
Re:Why Use Make by mseebach on Sunday February 24, 2013 @05:12PM (#5276142)
No, what I'm really saying is that if you get to cherry-pick the metrics, you can win any debate.

Of course there are tradeoffs in anything, and if the expressiveness of your build script is the deal-breaker for your project, by all means use make. On the whole, I will still argue that more modern alternatives provide a better total experience. Also, note that the OP is directed at beginners.

Re:Why Use Make by Jare on Sunday February 24, 2013 @06:23PM (#5276420)
"Ubiquity" and "expressiveness" are hardly cherry picking in my book