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Re:Are Placebos Really Sugar Pills? by samstave on Wednesday January 30, 2013 @01:32PM (#5140932)
So didn't you just state that a placebo needs to cause side effects?

Doesn't that mean that it's poison by nature if said side effects are negative?

Screw wanting to take part in that.

"Here's a pill that will cause oily discharge and nothing else" Yum!

Re:Are Placebos Really Sugar Pills? by dalke on Wednesday January 30, 2013 @03:15PM (#5141520)
Not all side effects are equally negative. Some negative side effects are acceptable and ethical.

Let's take DMSO as an example. Treatments with DMSO leave a particular garlic-like taste in the mouth. This is a negative side-effect. But DMSO is not a poison during normal treatments any more than ethyl alcohol is a poison.

A good placebo for DMSO would have the same side-effects as otherwise a patient and perhaps even the doctor could tell the difference based on taste/smell compared to the anticipated taste/smell. I believe this still isn't possible, which makes testing DMSO difficult. One solution, for example, is to look for a dose-response curve, which is a more complicated signal to extract.

Re:Are Placebos Really Sugar Pills? by saraid216 on Wednesday January 30, 2013 @02:33PM (#5141261)
Everything is poison by nature. Everything has negative side effects.