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Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by gamegoblin on Friday January 25, 2013 @08:22PM (#5118788)
I have mixed feelings about this. It could be great good if done correctly, but there is also a lot of room for error.

On a related note of "credit based on knowledge", I am always fond of college professors who have the policy "If you make an 'A' on the final, you make an 'A' in the class", the premise being that you clearly have learned the material, and their job is to make sure you know the material.

Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by bphogan on Friday January 25, 2013 @10:47PM (#5119153)
I don't know... I feel that a final examination is no test of knowledge. It's a test of memory. It's regurgitation. I'd never do that in my class.

I do have one class where doing well on the final project can get a failing student a passing grade though. But the project requires they apply what they've learned.

Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by gamegoblin on Friday January 25, 2013 @11:21PM (#5119241)
My algorithms final was entirely problems that we had never seen before that required that we create new algorithms or heavily modify existing ones. The average score was a 55% (this is a professor who makes extremely hard tests and then curves up).

Had he just been asking us to recite implementations of quicksort and whatnot I might agree with you, but I think that your premise is flawed. Not all final exams are what you have described.

Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by bphogan on Friday January 25, 2013 @11:37PM (#5119267)
Will the faculty be creating the assessments? I'd wager no. In many places businesses and curriculum-design people weigh in and approve curriculum created by faculty, so I could see those same folks creating assessments.

Perhaps I'm overly pessimistic from my experiences, but I'd bet the tests'll be multiple-choice, just like the UW entrance exams are.

Because it's easier for a machine to grade them.

EDIT: the article does say the faculty will be creating the tests. That does give me hope.

Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by anigbrowl on Friday January 25, 2013 @11:04PM (#5119203)
I don't understand that, unless your final consists of mutliple chioce quetions. Why can't you just set novel problems that require written answers? Americans are in love with multiple choice tests for some bizarre reason. Most countries in Europe conduct extensive testing through school,b but multiple-choice only makes up a small portion of the whole exam. Students have to answer essay questions and show their work on problems.

I see no reason why this UW initiative can't work the same way. I hope that it can work this way and attract credibility, since it would make it easier for people like myself who find the spiraling cost of college tuition hard to manage.

Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by mjmahone17 on Saturday January 26, 2013 @01:08AM (#5119458)
Presumably, the cost of taking the tests is the cost of having someone thoroughly vet your work, in addition to developmental costs. If it costs, say, $1,000, you'd expect that to mean that people would spend around 10 hours actually verifying your work. And so, even if you have to write 10 papers and develop 10 projects, 10 hours of grading should be plenty to provide a fairly comprehensive assessment (30 minutes per large assignment is much more than most professors put in now. At least, in my department). For $1,000, you could even up the evaluation time to something like 40 hours (at ~$15/hr, plus administrative costs) by using TAs who really understand.
Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by wildgift on Saturday January 26, 2013 @04:46AM (#5119901)
This is why college won't get any cheaper: there will be more value in having a qualified person evaluate not only the test, but all your schoolwork. You can game a test, but it's harder to game a few years of school.
Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by bphogan on Friday January 25, 2013 @11:34PM (#5119263)
The "bizarre reason" is laziness. You can grade multiple-choice tests with a key. I don't think they really assess anything myself. I think a test like you describe is better but I don't see it in practice at the places I've worked.

Thus I'm not hopeful.

And to be honest, they're gonna get their money from you one way or another. :)