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Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by rayiner on Friday January 25, 2013 @06:31PM (#5118396)
I find this extremely interesting, especially coming from a university where the certification actually means something.

I think Coursera, OpenCourseware, etc, get things backwards. They assume that the knowledge is the valuable part, and so use the online format to deliver knowledge. But in reality, the vast majority of people go to college to get the certification, not the knowledge. That's the valuable part of college education and that's what U of Wisconsin is offering.

Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by arrrg on Friday January 25, 2013 @07:33PM (#5118627)
… but the certification has to mean something or else it wouldn’t work. If the certification were meaningless (i.e. not sufficiently correlated with ability) neither people nor companies would find value in it.

Now, it may be possible to trick this sometimes or for some time, but if it would be possible consistently universities would long have become meaningless.

Ideally, companies would like to just know exactly what ability you have. However, testing for that is a long, expensive, complicated and hard task. Testing for ability is a hard problem, one you probably need specialized personal for (with knowledge of what abilities exactly you want to test for and the social science chops to make an actual worthwhile test happen). That’s one of the reasons why universities exist.

But this removedness from what companies actually want is also the reason why it’s not perfectly efficient, i.e. you sometimes have to learn stuff you don’t actually need.

Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by slyall on Friday January 25, 2013 @08:12PM (#5118764)
It is not as common these days but 20-30 years ago many courses had 100% of the mark depend on the Final exam. It was very common for students to do nothing for most of the year and then madly cram in the last few weeks.

All this does is make the "teaching" pary of the course optional.

Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by dctoedt on Friday January 25, 2013 @09:25PM (#5118953)
> 20-30 years ago many courses had 100% of the mark depend on the Final exam. It was very common for students to do nothing for most of the year and then madly cram in the last few weeks.

It's still that way in most law school classes.

Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by dougk16 on Saturday January 26, 2013 @12:14AM (#5119345)
This was how it was in my 4 comp sci classes when I did a semester abroad in Australia in 2003. Attendance was also completely optional, so lots of beach time was put in. Then when it was time for the exam, they put us all in a room together with no supervision. Surprisingly, everyone did very well. It was quite a joke.
Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by stephen_g on Saturday January 26, 2013 @05:39AM (#5119997)
What university was that? (Was it even a university? Doesn't sound like any I've heard of...)
Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by dougk16 on Saturday January 26, 2013 @01:07PM (#5121104)
I can't decide whether I should googleably post the name of the Uni, partly because, despite the negativity in my comment, I had a blast there. The campus was beautiful and staff and professors were very knowledgeable and helpful. I learned a lot, but unfortunately you didn't need to if you didn't want to. In fact, I seem to recall my classes were only a pass/fail basis as well, so a D was the same as an A.

It was in Cairns, which actually narrows it down quite a bit if you want to google it.

Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by Vivtek on Saturday January 26, 2013 @09:57AM (#5120471)
What, you've never left the United States? Continental European universities are often organized like this. Or have been recently; I can't speak for right now.
Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by klipt on Friday January 25, 2013 @08:50PM (#5118862)
Actually, part of the idea behind Coursera, Udacity, EdX etc. is to sell better, more accurate credentials to potential employers. The logic being that the responses to hundreds of exercises are more valuable as data than a single final grade.

http://chronicle.com/article/Providers-of-Free-MOOCs-Now/136...

Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by Evbn on Saturday January 26, 2013 @11:04AM (#5120680)
Coursers has to start thinking about cheating if they plan to succeed there.
Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by danielweber on Friday January 25, 2013 @07:32PM (#5118623)
I think Coursera, OpenCourseware, etc, get things backwards.

Well, they did what they can. It's very hard to invent a new institution with a trusted reputation, almost by definition.

Also, the dissemination of knowledge is the part that scales the most. Evaluation is tough and expensive, especially if you are trying even modestly to prevent cheating.

Someone could go to a MOOC to learn the stuff, then get the assessment from UWisconsin.

Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by Turing_Machine on Friday January 25, 2013 @08:03PM (#5118734)
"Someone could go to a MOOC to learn the stuff, then get the assessment from UWisconsin."

That is the model I expect to predominate in the long term, actually.

Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by wildgift on Saturday January 26, 2013 @04:30AM (#5119866)
How is evaluation "tough" if you have the entire corpus of the student's work in a course? There's less need for testing if you can see all their work. The point of testing is to come up with a simple statistic that sums up someone's knowledge and performance.
Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by danielweber on Saturday January 26, 2013 @04:42PM (#5121873)
It's hard to make sure it's the student and not Joe Blow who he hired to take the test for him, especially remotely.
Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by __Joker on Friday January 25, 2013 @07:19PM (#5118578)
Certification is nothing but acknowledgement of knowledge. I agree that coming from a reputable source has more currency that the knowledge. Would be interesting how the certification from separated from the source of knowledge pans out. There is absolutely no reason for the source of the knowledge to be one to certify rather than administrative ease.
Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by rayiner on Friday January 25, 2013 @07:27PM (#5118608)
> Certification is nothing but acknowledgement of knowledge.

Yes and no. When I hire a Harvard grad, is it because he knows things? Well, it's because I assume he doesn't not know anything, sure. But it's also because I know he must have done very well on his SAT's, and must be a really hard worker and very mature if he was able to get the perfect grades in high school you need to get into Harvard. I also know that his network, by virtue of going to Harvard, is probably better than that of someone who didn't go there.

It's much more complex than you make it out to be.

Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by jerf on Friday January 25, 2013 @11:05PM (#5119208)
I expect significant chunks of the Ivy League to survive nearly unscathed.

However, there's only a handful of "Harvards". Whatever exact argument you're trying to make (it's a bad thing? it's not going to happpen?), it doesn't scale down past the Ivy League, or it doesn't scale very far.

Besides, past the initial adaptation period, it's not like these credentials are going to be handed out like candy (those that are will be ignored, just as such credentials are today); serious ones like engineering degrees are still going to be years-long affairs. Are you going to prefer the student who showed enough dedication to do it without an enormous centuries-old structure holding their hands and dragging them along with proscribed structure, or the one that did it on their own? I expect significant chunks of the Ivy League to survive; whether they end up held in the universal esteem they are today I consider to be much more up in the air. They may acquire a much more rarified audience, while the rest of the world begins to look at them as a sort of easy way out....

Re:University of Wisconsin to offer degrees based on tested ... by wildgift on Saturday January 26, 2013 @04:23AM (#5119856)
With all this online education, the Ivies and a few public ivies are going to be more competitive than ever. They're going to have all the student performance info, and recruit heavily from the best students.