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Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by ry0ohki on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:28PM (#5117750)
Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by pduan on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:35PM (#5117790)
Interesting considering his previous actions.

"In 1992, to challenge Stanford's rules on political incorrectness, Rabois stood outside the dorm room of an instructor and made remarks criticized by many as homophobic."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Rabois

Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by corin_ on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:48PM (#5117866)
Seems an odd anecdote to exist there without any citation at all. Assuming it's true, he was clearly doing it to make a point, and therefore maybe he picked a subject that would make the point (i.e. it had to be something that wasn't politically correct) but wouldn't tarnish his reputation - if he had stood there making racist remarks then people might consider him a racist, whereas a gay person making homophobic remarks he could, if called on it later, say "of course that's not a reason to judge me, I'm gay myself!".

(Alternatively, it's not too uncommon for people to be homophobic either because they don't understand their sexuality, or because they understand it but want to hide it from other people.)

Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by jorgeortiz85 on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:55PM (#5117909)
Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by joshstrange on Friday January 25, 2013 @05:16PM (#5118015)
> Alternatively, it's not too uncommon for people to be homophobic either because they don't understand their sexuality, or because they understand it but want to hide it from other people.

That is exactly what I thought after reading the articles on this, his response, and the Standford news article.

Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by corin_ on Friday January 25, 2013 @05:24PM (#5118051)
Reading the release linked by jorgeortiz85 I think my first suggestion seems more likely - he wrote a letter confirming what he had shouted saying "The intention was for the speech to be outrageous enough to provoke a thought of..."
Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by homosaur on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:46PM (#5117858)
Seems like that action would suggest the rule was what he had an issue with, not any particular illumination on his sexual orientation. In fact, he probably wisely decided to go after a group he could claim to be a part of rather than spouting sexist or racist stuff, right?
Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by danso on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:40PM (#5117819)
People should read this before they make judgments about what might of or might not have happened

edit: obviously, this is only what Keith claims on his part. I'm only saying, these are the assertions that he's adding to the record

1. Keith and the accuser were in a consensual relationship before the accuser came to work at Square.

2. Keith encouraged his accuser to join the company but asserts that he did not give his accuser any favors or preferential treatment, nor did his accuser ever report directly to him

3. Keith admits that continuing the relationship after his accuser started working at Square was poor judgment.

4. The accuser is claiming that some of the acts in the relationship were not consensual, and Keith unequivocally denies doing the "horrendous things I am told I may be accused of".

5. Keith insinuates that his accuser tried to blackmail him on the order of millions of dollars.

Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by scarmig on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:46PM (#5117855)
Good to get his side of the story, but everything has to be known as alleged: we don't actually know (yet) whether there actually was a consensual relationship before the accuser joined Square, for instance. It's a fairly convincing defense and good tactics to get this out there immediately to the public mind--and it rings as pretty plausible for me--but it's still just a claim that might just be cleverly engineered to protect Keith.

Edited to add: There's also the altogether not-minor point that even a consensual relationship preceding and concurrent with Square employment wouldn't mean sexual harassment was impossible. Imagine the accuser, say, breaking up with Keith and getting stalked or threatened by him as a result.

Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by danso on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:54PM (#5117902)
Yes, I meant to say that these are things that Kevin has added to the record, and they may or may not actually help his case, but they do shed more light on the exact nature of the claims.

In the end, it'll be a matter of perspective...it's possible that the accuser is out to blackmail him. It's also possible that Rabois misjudged his role in the relationship, and that the accuser felt pressure to accomodate him because Rabois, indirectly or not, was his boss.

Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by corin_ on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:45PM (#5117849)
Truthfully people still shouldn't make judgements after reading this either. When I read his blog I felt extremely sorry for him, and if it is true then he does deserve our sympathy. But I don't know nearly enough about him to make a judgement either side, after all if the allegations were true it's not like he would have written a blog agreeing with them.
Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by ionforce on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:43PM (#5117837)
How do we verify that any of the above is true?
Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by danielweber on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:49PM (#5117873)
We don't know, but it's pretty easy to figure out when their relationship began. There will be records of personal calls and emails between them.

Unless Keith is colossally stupid, he didn't just make up a bunch of stuff when his lawyer told him it's time to be quiet. People have been known to be that stupid in that past , so like someone else said it's good we have a court system to deal with the serious allegations being made by each side.

Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by rmc on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:45PM (#5117850)
That's why we have a criminal justice system. Lets hope it finds truth.
Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by DannyBee on Friday January 25, 2013 @05:02PM (#5117938)
I honestly hope this was a joke. First, this is going to be a civil trial, not a criminal one :) The goal of the civil system is definitely not to find truth, only settle disputes "fairly". This often does not require truth. This is why the evidentiary rules/burdens in a civil trial are very different.

Even in the criminal justice system, the goal of the criminal justice system has never been to find truth, only produce justice or deterrence.

The last part sounds a bit like a tautology, but essentially, most criminal justice systems were created with the knowledge they can't figure out what really happened in most cases (take murder, where at least one person who knows what happened is dead, and another stands accused), so the goal is usually not to find the truth. Justice is easy, truth is hard.

There are also plenty of cases where truth is irrelevant to the aim of deterrence. It doesn't matter if you catch everyone who is speeding, or even that everyone you ticket was speeding, your goal is usually to get a high enough rate of catching actual speeders to deter the conduct.

Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by cgio on Friday January 25, 2013 @07:30PM (#5118616)
I would argue the opposite. Truth is not easy, but it is much easier than justice. Truth exists in a definite manner. Justice has to be decided and is itself perceived by many different parties in a gamut of relevant shades (what was justice for other similar cases, what will be fair etc.) Furthermore, Justice is questioned at every other decision making moment. If I was cutting everybody's hand if they steal and then decide to just cut a finger, it will not be just to the people who lost their hands.

Edit: I am referring to the canonical definition of justice, not the bureaucratic one.

Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by Someone on Friday January 25, 2013 @06:38PM (#5118423)
"2. Keith encouraged his accuser to join the company"

"3. Keith admits that continuing the relationship after his accuser started working at Square was poor judgment."

I would think that would make #2 poor judgment, too (encouraging someone to do something so that you have an excuse to break up? Poor judgment). Actually, I would think #2 already was poor judgment given #1.

Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by jseliger on Friday January 25, 2013 @06:55PM (#5118499)
>I would think that would make #2 poor judgment, too

We've seen a lot of article on HN about how difficult it is for women to break into the tech industry. If legal concerns make men leerier of referring girlfriends or spouses to their own companies, that will make it harder still for women to get in the door.

(Notice that this is an observation, not a policy argument.)

Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by eric-hu on Friday January 25, 2013 @07:04PM (#5118533)
Slightly pedantic, but Keith's note says:

"With increasing frequency, we hung out, drank wine, and I helped prepare him for interviews with tech startups"

...so this case doesn't seem to involve women, not directly. Your observation still stands, though.

Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by rdl on Friday January 25, 2013 @10:45PM (#5119146)
I think it is an acceptable loss for high ranking (founders, directors, officers) people to not recommend their sexual partners to their employers. If you are in a relationship, having diversity of income sources seems like a worthwhile secondary reason, but I'd kind of hate being an unrelated employee who had a founder's spouse as a coworker or manager, too.
Re:Square's Keith Rabois Resigns Amid Sexual-Harassment Claims by PeterisP on Saturday January 26, 2013 @10:32AM (#5120566)
It shouldn't be just legal concerns. I've come to observe that working with personally close people (girlfriends/relatives) is just bad judgement, period.

There will come times of interest conflict, and it will hurt either your business or your relations. If someone works with his girlfriend (or people hook up with someone from workplace) and get a painful breakup, it tends to poison the working environment for the whole team. If there are relatives on-board, then people will be angry with a feeling of nepotism no matter if it's there or not. It just doesn't work out.

So - don't encourage your GF/BF, spouse, mom or nephew to join your company, spread out. I know a couple of married couples that first hooked up in the workplace - but it all started to be nonproblematic only after one of them quit the company.