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Re:Blowing the Whistle on the Mortgage Bubble by gizmo on Friday January 25, 2013 @09:26AM (#5115513)
Ug. So many misconceptions and conspiracy theories, where do I begin?

1. The US and the Eurozone are suffering from very different problems. The debt in the US is likely to stabilize at around 80% GDP (source: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/24/tim-geithner-is-...). European countries are in quite a bit of trouble, but it will most likely take the the form of a slow and painful recovery. Greece has already partially defaulted on its debt (and the world didn't end).

2. There is no reason to assume that many (American?) banks will collapse anytime soon. The realistic worst-case scenario is another multi-trillion dollar bailout at the expense of the taxpayer.

3. The trillion dollar coin idea was a legal gimmick to counter another legal gimmick (debt ceiling). Minting a trillion dollar coin is not substantially different from conventional methods of "printing money" (there are some differences: e.g. no interest is paid on currency). The trillion dollar coin wouldn't be used to pay off the public debt. Minting coins to pay off the public debt is a bad idea, and not a single economist seriously suggested doing that. To reiterate: the trillion dollar coin is a legal trick and has almost no impact on the actual economy.

4. The cost of printing money isn't zero in all situations. Which is why printing money can partially fix some financial problems, but not all of them. Printing money is a good idea for instance when there is a shortage of money in the economy (i.e. risk of deflation). Printing money is never a substitute for real economic activity.

5. Inflation certainly works like a tax. Those with money are hurt by inflation and those with net debt benefit from it. It also encourages investment, which is why most economists think a little inflation is a good thing.

6. US Government bonds are in very high demand. Hence the low interest rate on them.

7. Your crazy rants about how the US is a socialist state don't have any bearing on reality.

Re:Blowing the Whistle on the Mortgage Bubble by mseebach on Friday January 25, 2013 @09:47AM (#5115602)
So, for your point 1, neither Krugman nor the CBPP report he links to claims that the debt will stabilise at 80%. It will arrive at 80% with a rising slope, not flatten like the "cuts" scenario. Also, good thing you didn't link to anything containing conspiracy theories:

To say what should be obvious: Republicans don’t care about the deficit. They care about exploiting the deficit to pursue their goal of dismantling the social insurance system. They want a fiscal crisis; they need it; they’re enjoying it.

Re:Blowing the Whistle on the Mortgage Bubble by gizmo on Friday January 25, 2013 @10:01AM (#5115681)
You're correct that the debt will continue to go up after 10 years if there are absolutely no cuts and no revenue increases. But 10 years is plenty time to bring the budget in line with GDP growth, and after the depression is behind us there should be bi-partisan interest in reducing the deficit. I'll be very surprised if the US deficit is over 80% of GDP in 10 years.

The comment by Krugman about Republicans wanting a fiscal crisis to dismantle the welfare system is somewhat hyperbolic. However there are plenty Republicans who claim to care about the deficit but when push comes to shove go for tax cuts instead and then point at the lack of revenues to justify cuts in the welfare system.

Re:Blowing the Whistle on the Mortgage Bubble by mseebach on Friday January 25, 2013 @10:17AM (#5115771)
Krugman is as "somewhat hyperbolic" as the GP. In fact, the GP qualifies his theories with "I think", Krugman states them as fact.
Re:Blowing the Whistle on the Mortgage Bubble by digitalengineer on Friday January 25, 2013 @10:32AM (#5115838)
Just curious: Does the debt number include unfunded liabilities for social security, medicare, etc?
Re:Blowing the Whistle on the Mortgage Bubble by mseebach on Friday January 25, 2013 @10:42AM (#5115888)
No, "public debt" is at 73%, including "intragovernmental holdings" (social security etc) it's at 105%

See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt#Meas... and refer to the first paragraph of the article of a definition of the two debt types.

Re:Blowing the Whistle on the Mortgage Bubble by mynameishere on Saturday January 26, 2013 @02:17AM (#5119601)
But 10 years is plenty time to bring the budget in line with GDP growth

You are out of your mind. Absolutely, 100 percent out of your mind.

Re:Blowing the Whistle on the Mortgage Bubble by ScottBurson on Friday January 25, 2013 @03:24PM (#5117426)
If you don't accept this coming from Krugman, Bruce Bartlett is a moderate voice who says essentially the same thing: http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/the-new-republi...
Re:Blowing the Whistle on the Mortgage Bubble by mseebach on Friday January 25, 2013 @07:42PM (#5118655)
You don't have to do deep investigative journalism to uncover the dirty truth that republicans has a smaller state as a policy goal, and has had it for a few decades. They say so publicly at any opportunity given. So, shockingly, when there's a deficit, they'll argue that the state should be smaller to cover the deficit. Sure, GWB massively expanded the state, and republicans were mostly fine with it, so it comes off as hypocritical. Either way, Bruce Bartlett just wastes a lot of words tracing and uncovering something that's trivially true.

Krugman dwells into conspiracy theory when he argues that republicans "enjoy" the deficit and with a nice slight of hand assigns the full responsibility for it to them. From random partisan hacks, sure, that how it goes, but for someone that likes to remind everyone that he has a nobel price, perhaps, just perhaps, we can expect a higher standard?

Re:Blowing the Whistle on the Mortgage Bubble by AutoKorrect on Friday January 25, 2013 @09:46AM (#5115600)
'likely to stabilize'? Are you on crack? Congress & O can't even create & pass a budget. They talk about 'saving' a trillion dollars... over 10 years! Our armed forces are still deployed to 3rd-world cesspools that we have no business being in. Debt is going to go up and up until the balloon pops.