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Re:Finishing what Aaron Swartz started with PACER by DannyBee on Tuesday January 22, 2013 @06:06PM (#5100222)
Scholar has problems in this area because of exclusive contracts to westlaw/lexis in the state arena, and for other reasons in the federal arena

Basically: The opinion access problem is not "largely solved". If it was, Google wouldn't be one of the folks fighting to get access to opinions, and I wouldn't be funding folks like Carl Malamud to do things like scan federal reporters (https://yeswescan.org/index.court.html, #22).

Re:Finishing what Aaron Swartz started with PACER by igurari on Tuesday January 22, 2013 @06:48PM (#5100435)
I'm not certain I understand what problems you are alluding to. Scholar has cases, and for you as an individual finding a case is largely trivial.

If your interest is in getting and providing bulk access to cases, then yes, you have obstacles. But that is only a problem for a select few individuals/companies who care about this as a business or hobby. The end users you may be trying to service by offering access to the cases can already get access to the cases from Google for free.

EDIT: To be clear, I'm not intending to downplay or diminish the efforts of you and others to open up access to those older cases. I think that is great. All I am saying is that for the vast majority of people, the vast majority of the time, there really isn't a problem in finding cases online.

Re:Finishing what Aaron Swartz started with PACER by DannyBee on Tuesday January 22, 2013 @07:57PM (#5100711)
I'm saying scholar has a problem in actually getting the data to give it to you, and that is the problem trying to be solved by getting PACER to open up.
Re:Finishing what Aaron Swartz started with PACER by igurari on Tuesday January 22, 2013 @08:20PM (#5100790)
And I'm saying that is not true. Scholar has nearly all of the cases anyone cares about - that's how they can index and serve them. (I say this as a former Google Scholar engineer.) If you are an individual, you can read the cases on Scholar. If you are a business and want to buy the cases in bulk - then you can find someone to sell them to you.

Opening up PACER really doesn't help in practice because the data is ridiculously dirty - crappy scanned PDFs which people then pay to have triple keyed.

Re:Finishing what Aaron Swartz started with PACER by DannyBee on Wednesday January 23, 2013 @12:40AM (#5101625)
Edit: Ugh. It's not worth having this argument in public. Let's just say I strenuously disagree, and I was just as much there as you were.
Re:Finishing what Aaron Swartz started with PACER by igurari on Wednesday January 23, 2013 @01:07AM (#5101732)
EDIT: Regardless, this has been an interesting discussion and I'd enjoy taking it out of the context of HN if you are interested: itai |at| judicata |.com|