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Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by tzs on Thursday January 17, 2013 @06:26AM (#5072069)
These two links will clear up a lot of misconceptions you seem to have about this case.

http://www.volokh.com/2013/01/14/aaron-swartz-charges/

http://www.volokh.com/2013/01/16/the-criminal-charges-agains...

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by toyg on Thursday January 17, 2013 @07:21AM (#5072240)
Kerr does a textbook analysis of the facts, ignoring the particularities of this case. Not one but three (!) lawyers picked up Aaron's case, and all three failed to reach a plea bargain -- clearly the prosecution was more "motivated" than usual. Given this fact, the fact that in these circumstances a bargain is not actually binding for the judge, and the other fact that there was no interest in keeping Swartz happy post-sentence (no co-conspirators to turn, no further loot to recover etc), you can see why Swartz would not agree to just put himself in the hands of a Justice, and why the "six months" scenario was actually fairly unrealistic (and still disproportionate, regardless).

I also disagree with his view that (I paraphrase) "we shouldn't criticize special cases, we should criticize what goes on every day". Yes, we all agree that you shouldn't "be good" only at Christmas, but the reality of this world is that legislative bodies quite often (if not all the time) will only act on the impulse of particular cases. This is what is happening now, which is good. Also, I'm sure that not "every day" prosecutors callously dismiss proven suicidal tendencies in pursuit of career-enhancing convictions, if anything to avoid ending up in a mess like this -- except for Heymann, who clearly won't give two shits about the wellbeing of young hackers. One case is a mistake, two is a pattern, and Heymann and his boss should take responsibility for their behaviour.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by tptacek on Thursday January 17, 2013 @09:05AM (#5072669)
Kerr, who has both prosecuted these kinds of cases and defended them, ignores none of what you're saying. He comes about as close as someone who might in the future need to deal with these specific prosecutors can come to saying that the prosecutors were exceptionally aggressive.

Further, while it is possible that circumstances could arise in which a 4 month plea from Swartz could be ignored by the judge, those circumstances are extremely unlikely. Not only do judges rubber stamp plea deals, but in a case involving 13 felonies, Swartz would very likely have arranged a Rule 11(c)(1)(C) plea in which the judge's refusal to accept the plea simply would have resulted in a trial.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by toyg on Thursday January 17, 2013 @10:38AM (#5073178)
those circumstances are extremely unlikely

Yeah well, lots of things were unlikely here, and yet.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by tedunangst on Thursday January 17, 2013 @12:39PM (#5073838)
You seem to be implying that if the prosecution doesn't offer a deal you like, you should just keep hiring new lawyers until they make a better offer. Sounds like a get out of jail for $(cost of X lawyers) card.
Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by toyg on Friday January 18, 2013 @05:16AM (#5078009)
Lawyer-people are (usually) human beings. Despite all the appeals to "professionalism" between prosecution and defense, some of them just have a better relationship, trading favours and whatnot.

Most honest defense lawyers will really have the best interest of their client at heart, and just dismiss themselves if they feel they can't work with a certain prosecutor; they might even recommend their own replacement. After all, it's in their own best interest not to get what they feel is a sub-par result on their CV.

The fact that Swartz went through three lawyers, coupled with what the last one of them said, might as well indicate that all of them felt the prosecution was being unreasonable, and were hoping that a different person might have obtained better results.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by AnthonyMouse on Thursday January 17, 2013 @02:42PM (#5074725)
>These two links will clear up a lot of misconceptions you seem to have about this case.

Do they? The first analyses the law given a stated set of assumptions about the facts. If Swartz was able to successfully dispute some of those alleged facts (many of which came from the indictment), it could completely change the outcome. And the second basically punts on the specific issue of whether the plea offered was appropriate or not, describing the legal standard but declining to apply it to the case.

Both posts are excellent if you want to get a feel for the law surrounding this case from someone who legitimately knows what he's talking about, but whether what the prosecutors did was appropriate depends substantially on the actual facts, which Kerr has no better access to than the rest of us.

To hear Aaron's defense counsel tell it, the facts show that he was completely innocent. And if you accept that version of the facts rather than the one in the indictment, it seems especially difficult to conclude that what prosecutors did was appropriate.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by tcuk on Thursday January 17, 2013 @07:16AM (#5072223)
EDIT: found the second article, comment redundant.
Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by girvo on Thursday January 17, 2013 @07:45AM (#5072301)
They both ended up on the front page, the latter today. And most people agreed that they were excellent analyses.
Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by mpyne on Thursday January 17, 2013 @01:50PM (#5074354)
They should both be required reading for those interested in the aaronsw case IMHO. There's a reason the consensus about the case (even on HN!) before Aaron's suicide was so wildly different from the current witchhunt, and the reason is contained in those two Kerr writeups.