What No One Told You About Z-Index

Re:What No One Told You About Z-Index by 2468ben on Tuesday January 15, 2013 @07:13PM (#5064079)

(I don't think they're good reasons, just reasons)

1. Unlike print layout, the dimensions of a webpage can change, and so we slowly invented an evolving layout framework for something without fixed dimensions. I've done typesetting since it was exacto knives and hot wax, and if you told me then to imagine a stretchable paper for news I would have cried in the corner.

2. The layout framework was independently built by a bunch of separate companies, who by nature of competition weren't going to agree on everything (see every browser).

3. The agreements that WERE made were done by committee, including the reluctant inputs of competing companies. This method of design will guarantee that they end up with something weird.

4. Make it backwards compatible with all the previous ghosts of architects past.

Imagine if Ford, GM and Chrysler had to build a joint car every few years.

Also, try designing a page in Flash and using (or just reading about) their graphics/layout/text frameworks. Some things are much harder than HTML/CSS, some are much easier, but it offers a great comparison on a completely different way of solving layout. I've implemented a spec like CSS for customizing Flash app appearances, and compared to what existed before, it made everything better.

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Re:What No One Told You About Z-Index by CapitalistCartr on Wednesday January 16, 2013 @01:48PM (#5068334)

Imagine if Ford, GM and Chrysler had to build cars that shared the same roads, used the same fuel, fit in the same overall dimensions for parking and driving, accepted the same basic controls: Steering, foot pedals, etc. It would be madness.

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Re:What No One Told You About Z-Index by 2468ben on Wednesday January 16, 2013 @08:26PM (#5070329)

Those features are the madness of standards enforced under penalty of law. CSS is a recommendation, and the only penalty is a competitive disadvantage. Back when the Internet was a graphically simpler place with a browser monopoly, there was little disadvantage to implement CSS however they damn felt. If Ford sold 90% of cars and a consortium recommended they add 12 new safety features, imagine how they'd respond.

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Re:What No One Told You About Z-Index by yuhong on Wednesday January 16, 2013 @10:59PM (#5070858)

In case of CSS, the important browser was IE.

This reminds me of DOCTYPE switching. From http://hsivonen.iki.fi/almost-precedent/: "Back when the Quirks Mode and the Almost Standards Mode were introduced ... committees created specs and that were enshrined as W3C Recommendations before there was solid implementation experience. Then the Web Standards Project lobbied browser-makers to implement the W3C specs as they were. The mindset was that the specs given from above couldn’t and shouldn’t change. People thought that vigorous upgrade evangelism would work and make Web authors change their existing sites."

Note that the Web Standards Project was also the one petitioning Netscape to cancel Mariner, which ended up contributing to the problem. Why did non-IE browsers have to implement document.all?

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