Can you point me to where I said they were heroes or martyrs? I said there was complex psychology involved, not pop-psych extremism.

duairc's point is that multiple parties can be responsible for something - that it's not appropriate to just blame the victim. duairc wasn't painting Swartz as a hero, a martyr, a villain, or even just a regular guy - or even that he's not primarily responsible.

We really need to get away from the idea that responsibility can only ever be assigned to one entity.