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Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by todayiamme on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:03PM (#5052690)
I'm not sure what is more disturbing; the fact that someone is capable of disparaging a human being who has passed away and is incapable of self-defence, or the fact that some people apparently agree with the diatribe as witnessed by the upvotes.

I don't know about you nor can I or will I speak on the behalf of the real Mr. Swartz, but I've thrown away plenty of opportunities, made plenty of mistakes and done tons of dumb things. I just hope that when my time comes those mis-steps aren't what I'm remembered for.

Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by nailer on Monday January 14, 2013 @08:55AM (#5054626)
> I'm not sure what is more disturbing; the fact that someone is capable of disparaging a human being who has passed away and is incapable of self-defence, or the fact that some people apparently agree with the diatribe as witnessed by the upvotes.

The parent article post is dead - it's been clearly demonstrated that this man has a great deal of people on the internet capable of defending him after death.

Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by asswartz on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:07PM (#5052698)
Dying does not give you immunity from criticism.
Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by todayiamme on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:11PM (#5052715)
To quote you;

>>> It was only because this guy had academic and tech industry protectors who backed their precious manbaby that JSTOR and MIT were reluctant to pursue the issue themselves. <<<

I would argue that you are not a critic as the above statement is not a reasoned stance or observation; it is vitriol.

Giving respect to someone's life irrespective of the differences you may have had is not about right or wrong. No, it's more basic than that; it's about compassion.

Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by asswartz on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:19PM (#5052754)
Do you actually have anything that actually addresses my points?
Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by panacea on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:47PM (#5052863)
"my points"

Your points? You choose a username of a deceased person to disparage them and then expect to be talked to with civility? You are an archetypal troll.

Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by Mz on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:57PM (#5052887)
So stop feeding the troll. Downvote and/or flag and move on.

(I am suggesting this for everyone, not just you. Nothing personal. I am replying to your post because you summed the problem up so well.)

Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by todayiamme on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:36PM (#5052820)
Honestly? I'm a bit speechless that someone would behave in such a manner. I do not wish to engage in a conversation with you as what you are doing simply isn't humane. Neither can I or will I speak for Mr. Swartz, as I did not have the fortune of knowing him.
Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by jacquesm on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:31PM (#5052793)
You don't have any points, just bile.
Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by nailer on Monday January 14, 2013 @08:36AM (#5054534)
I disagree. The post contradicts a lot of what we've been told were this man's accomplishments:

- He didn't found Reddit

- He didn't invent RSS

- He did more than just download too many JSTOR articles

Until I read that post, I believed all of those things, as that is what I have read so far.

Speaking ill of the dead isn't classy, but facts are sacred.

Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by Arjuna on Monday January 14, 2013 @07:54AM (#5054425)
"Dying does not give you immunity from criticism."

Sigh... what about compassion? Are you yourself immune from it?

Is there not even the smallest space in your heart for even a modicum of compassion at this time for parents who have lost a son? For an utterly heart-broken and grieving family? For friends who have lost a colleague? For our very community itself?

Search the fibers of your soul: is this caustic vitriol the only thing of substance that you can find within you? Can you not muster even the smallest warmth of compassion for others who are suffering?

Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by enry_straker on Monday January 14, 2013 @12:55AM (#5053455)
Wow. Such childish behavior.

To be so jealous of a dead guy that you would use his name in such a manner and to be such an attention seeker that you would dis-parage Aaron with one liners.

Pathetic.

Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by josdewolk on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:35PM (#5052816)
It must have been difficult to write the counter-point to all the eulogies popping up. I appreciate that someone did it here, just as I was grateful to see a few counter-points pop up after Steve Jobs.

From what I've read in the positive eulogies, I'm sure Aaron Schwarz would have appreciated a balanced conversation about his life.

Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by jacquesm on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:40PM (#5052835)
> I'm sure Aaron Schwarz would have appreciated a balanced conversation about his life.

I'm sure he would have, but this isn't it. Unless you've forgotten to include your sarcasm tags.

Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by seeingfurther on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:01PM (#5052679)
You might want to take a look at what the expert witness says. http://io9.com/5975592/aaron-swartz-died-innocent-++-here-is...
Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by asswartz on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:06PM (#5052697)
I did. He's obviously biased. He claims that Aaron "did nothing to cover his tracks or hide his activity." He tried to disguise himself when he went to retrieve the laptop. I think not clearing .bash_history or his browser history was just due to stupidity on Aaron's part, as he (again stupidly) didn't foresee that he would get caught retrieving the laptop.
Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by doktrin on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:25PM (#5052772)
>> He's obviously biased

Judging by your throwaway account and incendiary comments, it seems you would know a thing or two about bias.

The expert witness cited established his credentials while presenting his viewpoint. I'm sure his assertions could be disputed, but he was upfront about his background and professional opinion.

You, on the other hand, are currently an anonymous Internet troll.

Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by asswartz2 on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:34PM (#5052808)
If you condemn my assertions because I'm anonymous, then you must condemn Aaron's actions for the same reason, for he did them anonymously also.

Incidentally, the "expert witness" said a bald-faced lie, that Aaron did not try to hide his tracks. It is not a "disputed assertion."

Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by lelandbatey on Sunday January 13, 2013 @09:06PM (#5052913)
Ignoring most everything going on in this thread:

I'd be very interested to see citations for this evidence that Aaron Schwartz did try to disguise himself, and the details of that disguise. That evidence does change the discussion, and it is important that we see what you are talking about.

Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by gammarator on Monday January 14, 2013 @01:10AM (#5053489)
The indictment alleges he shielded his face with his bicycle helmet: bottom of page 8 of https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/217117-united-states...
Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by jacquesm on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:16PM (#5052736)
I really can't believe what I'm reading here. You are either clueless or downright mean and I can't decide which. Please stop.
Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by asswartz on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:19PM (#5052755)
If I'm clueless, feel free to clue me in.
Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by jacquesm on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:31PM (#5052792)
Silly me, and I didn't even notice your nickname. So it's 'mean' after all, and by the looks of it not just a little bit jealous.
Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by rexreed on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:02PM (#5052682)
That may or may not be the case, but despite that he has followers and fans and supporters in the hundreds if not more, and that's an accomplishment that many others do not have. Regardless of his accomplishments whether they be in full or partial, he stood for something and in the end suffered because of it. And this is why so many are moved by what has happened.
Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by asswartz on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:11PM (#5052714)
1) Getting followers/fans is not an accomplishment, unless you consider (say) Snooki "more accomplished" than your hero. 2) He didn't suffer because he stood for something, he suffered because he got caught, which he didn't foresee. Subtle difference. Too bad he couldn't handle it.
Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by rexreed on Sunday January 13, 2013 @09:17PM (#5052942)
It would seem to me that the caliber of those that support him and speak for him are of a different type than those that support and follow Snooki. The ones certainly that are speaking up for him now and have given him respect are certainly ones that I respect.

And I know him as much, or as little, as you, so I don't idolize or hero worship him -- I'm fairly new to this whole conversation. I wouldn't presume that he would be my hero any more than I would assume he is your nemesis. I'm just not as ready to denounce someone I know so little about. I am not saying that your points are incorrect, it is just that they don't acknowledge that those that DO indeed know him well have chosen to put their faith and support in him, regardless of whether or not he was as unaccomplished or as malicious as you say he was.

Re:MIT President on Aaron Swartz by rhizome on Sunday January 13, 2013 @08:17PM (#5052745)
Thank you for your input, Ms. Ortiz.