how do you define "talent"? what is that "talent" thing you mention? where does it come from?

I'm asking because I don't believe in talent, I believe in practice (and everything you need to practice a lot – stuff like dedication and perseverance).

That being said, sometimes I'd love to believe in that concept called "talent", because "I've got no talent for music" would be such a comfortable excuse.

Clearly "talent" in programming has a tie-in to things like IQ and memory. While I appreciate the musical instrument analogy, it breaks down on these two elements specifically. I know guys who are "not smart" yet they are amazing jazz musicians - true leaders of the world in that regard. These are guys with probably a sub-85 IQ. Could be they programmers? No, not a chance. They don't have the mental capacity.

So "talented programmers" and "talented musicians" have a different type of talent. Both are simply luck of the draw at birth - if you were born smart and with a high IQ, you can accomplish both (music and programming by practice). If you were born with a sub-85 IQ, I don't think you have the option to become a "programmer" unless there is some other element at work (amazing memory, ability to focus, or something else).

Good question - I guess I see 'talent' most commonly as the ability to quickly turn time applied into results - more talented programmers are productive more quickly in new environments, more talented musicians achieve more with an hour's practice than less talented musicians. I think my own definition of 'talent' would seem to accord with your 'practice' concept.