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Re:The Truth About Aaron Swartz's "Crime" by MichaelSalib on Saturday January 12, 2013 @07:24PM (#5049424)
So what? Aaron violated MIT's policies and JSTOR's policies and the result was that a large community of scholars lost access. Those scholars would have had access if Aaron hadn't done what he did.
Re:The Truth About Aaron Swartz's "Crime" by jlgreco on Saturday January 12, 2013 @07:27PM (#5049436)
The only harm was manufactured by the "victims". Were it not for the "victims" manufacturing this harm, they would not be called victims at all. They essentially bootstrapped their own victim-hood. If you don't see why that is relevant in an ethical consideration of his actions, then I cannot help you.
Re:The Truth About Aaron Swartz's "Crime" by MichaelSalib on Saturday January 12, 2013 @07:32PM (#5049453)
This is taking victim blaming to new heights. Is it now the victim's fault they don't acquiesce to a lawbreakers' demands? Doesn't MIT have the right to decide who is allowed to use their network and in what manner?

Can I break into your home and use your internet connection as I see fit without your complaint?

Re:The Truth About Aaron Swartz's "Crime" by jlgreco on Saturday January 12, 2013 @07:33PM (#5049460)
Is it similarly victim blaming when people call shit on the RIAA for claiming thousands of dollars of damages per mp3? Give me a break, and knock it off with the emotionally charged language. MIT isn't the victim of domestic abuse or sexual assault.

> Can I break into your home and use your internet connection as I see fit without your complaint?

They dropped the trespassing charges, the only charges that had merit.

Re:The Truth About Aaron Swartz's "Crime" by MichaelSalib on Saturday January 12, 2013 @07:38PM (#5049473)
But if I broke into your house and used your internet connection, the only harm would come from you, the "victim", objecting to my behavior. You'd be bootstrapping your own victimhood, right?
Re:The Truth About Aaron Swartz's "Crime" by jlgreco on Saturday January 12, 2013 @07:42PM (#5049488)
If I were choosing to object to you on the grounds that you trespassed, then no.

If I were to drop the trespassing charges and choose to object on the grounds that I had to throw out my router because you used it, then I would indeed be manufacturing victomhood.

I'll repeat myself. They dropped the trespassing charges.

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Re:The Truth About Aaron Swartz's "Crime" by carbocation on Saturday January 12, 2013 @07:51PM (#5049507)
> "You realize that about 40% of the money that comes into MIT comes from the federal government right?"

Based on this non sequitur, can we infer that you have tacitly accepted jlgreco's point?

Re:The Truth About Aaron Swartz's "Crime" by DannyBee on Saturday January 12, 2013 @11:46PM (#5049999)
He didn't break into anywhere. MIT had an open network. Can I use my neighbor's open wireless network without it being a crime? All signs point to yes.
Re:The Truth About Aaron Swartz's "Crime" by mpyne on Sunday January 13, 2013 @10:11AM (#5050888)
We do all realize that there's a difference between breaking locks and trespassing, right?
Re:The Truth About Aaron Swartz's "Crime" by jlgreco on Sunday January 13, 2013 @07:05PM (#5052483)
Oh yeah, they would have had a case for trespassing.

BUT THEY DROPPED THOSE CHARGES.

Re:The Truth About Aaron Swartz's "Crime" by DannyBee on Saturday January 12, 2013 @11:47PM (#5050002)
If violation of TOS'en was a crime (thankfully, courts so far have ruled it's not), we'd all pretty much be screwed.

the fact that someone did something dumb does not make it illegal.

If i buy so many lottery tickets that the state thinks it's fraudulent, and shuts down the lottery for a day, that doesn't make me guilty of anything.

(As I said, TOS violations are simply not crimes. No court has ever held otherwise)