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Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by mhb on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:11PM (#50491473)
Has anyone in the history of government estimated that for anything?
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by devin on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:12PM (#50491491)
I know you're asking rhetorically, but... yes.
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by bjourne on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:13PM (#50491500)
Yes, ROI estimates are very common in all kinds of government spending.
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by ToucanLoucan on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:18PM (#50491547)
I fucking hate how this completely ignorant bullcorn about government waste has infected the minds of so many otherwise seemingly intelligent people that they just assume that the most powerful nation on the planets government just lights money on fire for no reason whatsoever, with no systems for estimates, for accountability, for accounting of spend, etc.

Meanwhile the reality is almost comically inverse. Which is not to say government pork doesn’t exist and projects don’t end up wildly bad on ROI, but just to say I have seen so much more waste, and with FAR less justification, in the private sector. Especially justification which so often is “someone in the C-suite wanted to do some shit” which ended up costing us millions of dollars.

Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by AnneTrotter on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:23PM (#50491592)
Not so sure this administration cares about ROI in the same way previous administrations did, though.
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by ToucanLoucan on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:34PM (#50491698)
I mean sure this administration doesn’t give a shit about anything up to and including self preservation, I’m talking actual normal politicians, not the freaks in the White House. But fair point all the same.
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by method_capital on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:33PM (#50491688)
In the private sector, we are responsible for our money and that of our investors who are contributing it voluntarily. That ain't true of the government, and all that "care" and "budgeting" could just as easily be called administrative overhead and bloat.

Why do you bitch when people bitch when you can see how thoroughly and completely irresponsible they have been with our money going on what over 2 decades now - both parties, friend - ?

Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by lesuorac on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:38PM (#50491730)
The point they’re making is that the public sector is often more efficient at doing X at a lower price.

People talk about competition driving the private sector into total efficiency but when you actually start working in it you start to notice how inefficient they actually do things (and how hard they try to avoid competition).

Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by ToucanLoucan on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:39PM (#50491741)
> In the private sector, we are responsible for our money and that of our investors who are contributing it voluntarily.

So how much is Zuckerberg personally responsible for after wasting what, 90 billion on the stupid metaverse?

> That ain't true of the government, and all that "care" and "budgeting" could just as easily be called administrative overhead and bloat.

So just to be clear; if the government tries to do accounting and budgeting, that’s administrative bloat, and if it doesn’t, that’s wasting money with no accountability?

Not that either scenario describes any part of the government I’ve ever seen I'm just illustrating clearly that you’re operating from the perspective of “the government spending money on anything is always waste” irrespective of what the money is being spent on.

Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by winternett on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:16PM (#50491530)
They have no idea, ChatGPT is down ATM.