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Re:In Memoriam: Tim Peters 1952–2026 by bonoboTP on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:38AM (#50465763)
Doesn't take a lot of care to post a one sentence comment.
Re:In Memoriam: Tim Peters 1952–2026 by cauch on Thursday November 12, 2026 @07:51AM (#50466411)
I don't know.

This whole episode certainly reflects very badly on PSF SC. But it is not a very glorious event of Peters' life either, and it feels better to just not uselessly stir the pot in a way that makes Peters not look good.

(and again, to be clear, PSF SC looks even worse, but of course the point is to remember Peters for what he was, not to profit of his passing to score points against PSF SC)

Re:In Memoriam: Tim Peters 1952–2026 by bonoboTP on Thursday November 12, 2026 @08:16AM (#50466658)
Python leadership threw him under the bus and now it's all nice obituaries pretending nothing happened.
Re:In Memoriam: Tim Peters 1952–2026 by cauch on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:38AM (#50468021)
I understand people have strong feeling about that. But I think that the situation is described in a more balanced way in LWN, and, as said on https://tim-one.github.io/psf, I quote, "LWN’s account of Tim’s ban; by far the best “news” article I’ve seen, finding fault on all sides". Peters also produced https://tim-one.github.io/psf/meaculpa where he says he does not recognize the charge against him, but understands why the situation went this way and that it was partially his fault.

So, the situation is more "grey" than Peters being the victim, and I don't think it is a good idea to highlight this in a time where we should focus on Peters. It feels like stirring the pot is just instrumentalizing the event to attack the PSF SC because of unresolved feelings.

Not that this event should be forgotten or forgiven, just that it is not true that it is a mistake it was not mentioned in article talking about Peters' passing. It feels like the idea is that some people don't mention it because they know the PSF SC made a mistake but they want to hide it. But it looks to me that they don't mention it because it makes Peters not look very good on that circumstance.

Re:In Memoriam: Tim Peters 1952–2026 by zahlman on Saturday November 14, 2026 @05:16AM (#50495750)
> where he says he does not recognize the charge against him, but understands why the situation went this way and that it was partially his fault. So, the situation is more "grey" than Peters being the victim

Not in any meaningful sense. The post you cite basically talks about Tim's historical posting style, and then suggests that newcomers to the community might not have been exposed to it, and therefore interpreted https://discuss.python.org/t/for-your-consideration-proposed... as somehow objectionable.

But here's the thing: I first interacted with the guy in 2014 (as far as I can tell) and wasn't part of the Python Usenet/mailing list culture. I didn't really have that exposure either. And yet it was still extremely obvious to me that the post was calling out injustice and not saying anything that any reasonable person could object to. The central argument is that it's unpleasant to be repeatedly subject to training that assumes you need training to behave yourself and not engage in criminal activity, while the wealthy and powerful get away with those crimes. And people who claim to be on the side of "social justice" take offense to that.

If there's some legitimate reason why a morally good person could object to that post, I never heard it floated the entire time, nor in any of the ensuing discussion anywhere on the Internet (and people have accused me before of being unreasonably interested in that discussion). I have only heard people expect me to take it for granted that this, and similar posts, somehow reflect unreasonable behaviour. And because I legitimately can't think of any charitable way to interpret the argument, I don't speculate.

Tim looks just fine "on that circumstance". It is his interlocutors who look completely unreasonable.

Re:In Memoriam: Tim Peters 1952–2026 by cauch on Saturday November 14, 2026 @05:58AM (#50495984)
> Not in any meaningful sense.

This is a very unfair way of treating the situation. What I had in mind was basically what you say after: Peters understands why the situation went this way (because newcomers were not used to his writing style) and acknowledge responsibility in not realising that earlier. His post is literally called "mea culpa". It is very very unfair to pretend that Peters does not recognise some part of responsibility in a post which contains so much language sending explicitly that message.

> But here's the thing: I first interacted ...

Well, what you say is not surprising and does not prove anything. In 99% of situations were people take offence or disagree, there are also people who are fine with it. And it would have been totally unrealistic to pretend that a style that people understood in a given period was misunderstood by 100% of the people just few years later. You were just part of the people who interpreted it as Peters intended. But I'm pretty sure that you interpreted things differently in other circumstances.

> If there's some legitimate reason why a morally good person could object to that post, I never heard it floated the entire time

Well, in Peters post, he says "So too many now read one of my typically part-joking posts, and think I’m making fun of the topic being discussed, or belittling them. Wholly unintended, but understandable, and I first realized that yesterday. Now it makes some sense to me how someone could take offense at my message about sexual harassment."

I think that the situation is simple and that Peters understands it while you don't. The message was incorrectly interpreted. Peters says here that in this case, the reaction was understandable and make some sense. Peters ended up understanding the whole mess that was basically just miscommunication.

On the opposite, in your message, you are basically saying that you cannot understand that someone would take offence. That's your opinion, and, after all, why not. But other people have other opinion. I hope you don't take offence of that :)

> (and people have accused me before of being unreasonably interested in that discussion)

Hm, do you think that it is not highlighting that what "looks just fine" according to you may not be an universal truth?

> Tim looks just fine "on that circumstance". It is his interlocutors who look completely unreasonable.

As I've said, his interlocutors look very bad. You may think Peters looks "just fine", but that does not mean Peters looks just fine. You are just one person. And, I know, "everyone who disagree on this is a social justice warrior and is wrong", but you cannot force other persons who wrote articles on Peters' passing to be bad or misguided because they don't agree with you on this detail.

Re:In Memoriam: Tim Peters 1952–2026 by staz on Thursday November 12, 2026 @08:01AM (#50466506)
(I said you people because I replied to your comment but I was responding to multiple people at once who said similar thing)

Regardless of who was wrong or right, is it the way you would like to be eulogy written about you? bonoboTP was such a nice person and helped so many person and here is a myriad of example to prove how. All that said, I will remind everyone he had a fight a few years ago with some people he worked with and there were not very nice to him. It is just but a pebble in a long fruitful life, but it is really important I mention it here to remind everyone CoC = bad

Re:In Memoriam: Tim Peters 1952–2026 by kalaksi on Thursday November 12, 2026 @08:16AM (#50466653)
> to remind everyone CoC = bad

I know you're exaggerating but that's not what they were saying.

Re:In Memoriam: Tim Peters 1952–2026 by bonoboTP on Thursday November 12, 2026 @08:18AM (#50466684)
I guess it's indeed awkward. I simply feel an annoying discrepancy. Tim was never properly rehabilitated or apologized to while alive. And now it's just like it never happened.