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Re:The U.S. Is Driving Away Young Scientists by gjsman-1000 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:54AM (#50441242)
... and a culture that couldn't explain to the public why half of these experiments were worth a single tax dollar.
Re:The U.S. Is Driving Away Young Scientists by dgellow on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:06AM (#50441431)
More like: you were lied to and mislead by bad actors. Aka, the Republican Party and its associated media
Re:The U.S. Is Driving Away Young Scientists by gjsman-1000 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:06AM (#50441437)
Malarkey, San Francisco tried to spend $1.7M on a toilet. There's plenty of blame on both sides, and much of the mud they throw at each other is true.

Again, if you are someone who can barely afford gas and hear about this... you don't care about strict principles, you just want to set those in power on fire.

Re:The U.S. Is Driving Away Young Scientists by tbrake on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:16AM (#50441579)
You should sell your services as a fortune teller, so bravely confident in asserting the value of every study before it's even conducted.

"What kind of IDIOT wants to WASTE valuable TAXPAYER MONEY on gila monster venom research" - man currently on a GLP-1.

Re:The U.S. Is Driving Away Young Scientists by gjsman-1000 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:18AM (#50441605)
Do you believe then that scientists should have a blank check for any form of science they would like to research? I don't.
Re:The U.S. Is Driving Away Young Scientists by estearum on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:00AM (#50442208)
I personally believe that we should have a crystal ball which will tell us the result and future applications of all currently-contemplated research projects. Then we just need to look into the crystal ball and pick the silly lizard venom studies that lead to life-changing and life-saving results for hundreds of millions of people, and we can ignore the silly lizard venom studies that yield nothing!

Super easy!

Re:The U.S. Is Driving Away Young Scientists by dnautics on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:54AM (#50442137)
The glp-1 story is super overblown. GLP-1s were a highly desired target LONG before gila monster venom was discovered to be an agonist. And it really was around the same time that lipid attachments were becoming appreciated for their half-life attenuation, so even if amylin (the company) never took on incretin as a (shitty) drug candidate, proper glp-1s with lipid attachements were kind of inevitable. Obviously we can't know this for sure, but cmon. How much did gila monsters buy? Maybe a year or two?

so, you should really recalibrate being taken in by just-so stories of basic science being SUPER important.

Re:The U.S. Is Driving Away Young Scientists by estearum on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:02AM (#50442244)
...?

Your rebuttal is that GLP was a highly desirable target for a long time before we stumbled upon a way to hit it... and this is evidence that the "stumbling upon a way to hit it" was not a super critical and super fortunate event...?

> How much did gila monsters buy? Maybe a year or two?

Why'd you put "a year or two?" here and not "a decade or two?" or "a century or two?" Do you have reason to believe it was a year or two away, sans Gila monster? If so, can you provide your reasoning? Per your own point, GLP was a desirable target for a long time without successful hits. We have plenty of targets that are desirable for decades without figuring out ways to hit them well enough to make a good drug.

Re:The U.S. Is Driving Away Young Scientists by tbrake on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:07AM (#50442308)
the point was about the nonsensical nature of dismissing things out of hand just because you can't imagine a "practical application" for it on the spot.

the earlier habener results that actually got us to glp-1s via anglerfish pancreas would have been similarly derided. substitute that in if it helps.

Re:The U.S. Is Driving Away Young Scientists by ModernMech on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @12:19PM (#50443308)
> couldn't explain to the public why half of these experiments were worth a single tax dollar.

The funny thing about that is the controversial “impact statements” that are part of grant funding are supposed to be the part where you explain how your research matters to the broad community. But it’s become so political the only thing you can feel safe writing is “we will help people learn about science” because “we’ll start an after school program for disadvantaged youth to learn about science” is too DEI for some folks.