Re:Fable 5.2 one-shotted my nephew's dream game
by Conscat on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @01:23AM
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These agent swarms with harnesses are certainly more than just an LLM, but the LLM is certainly the integral part that delivers the most value. Without it, there is no AI.
Re:Fable 5.2 one-shotted my nephew's dream game
by locknitpicker on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @01:54AM
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> Without it, there is no AI.
With a LLM alone, all you have is a stateless chatbot. If you increase the parameters of the LLM by a few orders of magnitude, you still have a stateless chatbot.
If you start with an anaemic LLM and run it with a ReAct loop and tool-calling, you now have something you can use to do agentic coding and RAG-like capabilities.
There's a reason why relatively small open weights models are starting to perform on par and even outperform models that need a huge datacenter to run.
Re:Fable 5.2 one-shotted my nephew's dream game
by spider-mario on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @04:41AM
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They are?
Re:Fable 5.2 one-shotted my nephew's dream game
by locknitpicker on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @06:05AM
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> They are?
Yes. Feel free to check recent benchmarks from the likes of OpenRouter
Re:Fable 5.2 one-shotted my nephew's dream game
by spider-mario on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @07:44AM
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Which ones, and which models? https://openrouter.ai/benchmarks/gpqa-diamond shows Kimi K3.1 (not small) roughly on par with Gemini 3.7 Flash. I see no coding benchmark there that could substantiate your claim, and it doesn’t match my experience either, so I’m curious what you are basing it on, but you’re leaving the onus on me to prove you right.
Re:Fable 5.2 one-shotted my nephew's dream game
by vanviegen on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @01:54AM
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> as the LLM part is nowadays far from being the component that delivers the highest value
Yes it is. The rest of the agent could basically be a while loop, a two sentence system prompt and a shell invocation, and it would still work reasonably well.
I'd be more specific and state that these models are now way far from being LLMs and instead they are full blown agent orchestration systems capable of running multi-layer ReAct loops and tool-calling, and with your whole session history as context. It doesn't make any sense to refer to them as glorified chatbots as the LLM part is nowadays far from being the component that delivers the highest value.