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Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by datsci_est_2015 on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:13PM (#50431289)
> If men and women are the same thing with slightly different parts, then gender neutral laws make sense.

> If men and women have meaningful differences then it makes sense to have gendered laws.

This framing of the issue puts the discussion down an awkward rhetorical path that is difficult to recover from.

What if it doesn't matter whether someone looks or acts different; but it matters how society treats them and the outcomes that they face.

Black chess pieces and white chess pieces are superficially, trivially distinct. Yet, the player with the white pieces wins 52% to 56% of the time.

I'm calling it out here because it's a typical technocratic bad-faith argument that I'm personally tired of hearing.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by empressario on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:49PM (#50431901)
>> I'm calling it out here because it's a typical technocratic bad-faith argument that I'm personally tired of hearing.

I’m guessing you don’t have a uterus, am I right? A man doesn’t end up pregnant if the condom breaks. So don’t lecture us about your “bad faith arguments” when you’re making one.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by bjt on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:59PM (#50432037)
Sure, biology is not sex-blind. But the law can still be written to favor a parent that's a primary caregiver, regardless of whether that parent is male or female.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by anon-3988 on Monday November 09, 2026 @05:21PM (#50433105)
I don't think a couple gets to choose who's carrying the baby for 9 months...Is the law and society supposed to just ignore that?
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by datsci_est_2015 on Monday November 09, 2026 @05:28PM (#50433196)
What?

Trying to interpret your comment in the best way possible, I'd say that my viewpoint is that it matters more how society treats a pregnant woman and the man that impregnated her, rather than the fact that the woman got pregnant and the man didn't.

It's probably best for laws to be dynamic to how cultural norms evolve regarding impregnation, which means unfortunately for hyperrational technocrats, it's best to pay attention to outcomes rather than focus on things like "man" and "woman". An unwed woman getting pregnant in 1940 USA is much different than an unwed woman getting pregnant in 2026 USA, for example.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by graemep on Monday November 09, 2026 @05:45PM (#50433378)
A man still ends up legally and morally responsible for the child.

Certainly women have have nine months of hard work men spared. On the other hand it is not a very big par of a lifetime. A man can end up with more work and responsibility long term.

My ex carried our kids for 9 months. I did a lot to support her but I agree that does not compare with the constant physical impact of pregnancy.

Once they were born we were pretty much equal parents bar breastfeeding/expressing. As they got older I became the primary parent because she was just not good with older kids. By the time each was seven or eight I was the primary parent. By the time they were eight or nine I was home educating them I has also the sole earner. When the younger one was a teenager I divorced and became a single parent. You really think 9 months of pregnancy outweighs all that?

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by maerF0x0 on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:02PM (#50432080)
What you're revealing is an underlying difference in constitution of Lib/Cons (to apply labels a bit grossly), in that L is usually concerned with enforcing outcomes despite the values it violates and R is usually concerned with enforcing values/rulesets despite the outcomes it produces.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by datsci_est_2015 on Monday November 09, 2026 @05:23PM (#50433140)
Yeah, precisely. I was just linking to the Disparate Impact Wikipedia page recently as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disparate_impact