So the commanders of those men dying in battle or the ones running the companies whose coal miners were dying, or or or...just because men have suffered doesn't mean men has a cohort have not been at the top of the food chain. The point is that it is men controlling everyone else: men, women, etc until somewhat recently, historically.

So no, not useless and maybe should help color the conversation a bit more on WHY men are feeling as they are, because the power dynamics of society are shifting, of which men have been led to believe that they would, in fact, be at the top forever.

> "just because men have suffered doesn't mean men has a cohort have not been at the top of the food chain"

It does mean exactly that. 6 million Jews murdered in the Holocaust, assume half were men, what specific benefit did they get from the German leader at the time having a penis?

Men and women have done dirty, dangerous, and back-breaking work through history, but the harder it is physically, the more likely it's a "man's job". More likely to be conscripted, farm labouring, laying stone for roads or railway, digging foundations and wells, bricklaying, construction, dock workers, shipbuilding, being conscripted, soldiering, mining, oil drilling, furnace work, blacksmithing, chemical refining, chimney sweeping, sewer cleaning.

Most men through history had no position of power whatsoever, and were not at the top of anything, and most men alive today don't and aren't.

It doesn't matter about the objective power of any given man, I don't know why you keep reverting back to the laymen example. The virtue of men being at the top is in and of itself the issue. From the micro to the macro, you can find gender power imbalances that are residual from the sociological evolution of humans. I'm not sure why this is so hard to grasp. We have been socially conditioned to rank men higher then women, and white men at the top.

Who held what job when, who died when, who actually held power when is irrelevant.

What relevance is the sex of the person on top of the pyramid to everyone else? You have inserted this useless metric, which half of society knows is useless. You can say 'the richest person in the world is a man', but this doesn't make the median man any richer. It's just bad logic.