it's inappropriate and frankly odd to bring up abstract notions of history for a government mandated health report

it's like talking about feelings in math

I'm talking about the discourse in this thread and I can talk about or bring up whatever points I want, as can anyone else. Feel free to disagree.

just more emotional noise making clear conversation and decisive action harder

i fail to see where preconceptions about past aeons fits into a report about statistics, feel free to clarify, ideally with numbers

Oh ok, me supplying "numbers" will definitely change the conversation we have going right now.

What you’ve said with your careless comment: “Men have been on top for so long who cares if both the good ones and bad ones kill themselves or get locked up in mental hospitals or abuse drugs.”

Thanks for letting us know explicitly what people like you are about.

Totally what I said, thanks for the recap.

Exactly. They are drowning the problem in generalized abstraction. Ironically, it's the result of 'social media' memetic indoctrination where posting one line of emotionally laden bs takes about ten seconds. However correcting it with proper perspective and refuting the erroneous use of a general abstraction and adding historical facts, perspective and nuance in a well written package can take me an hour, in which timespan the original one liner would already accumulated ten or fifty 'retweets' because the emotional hook of simplistic, emotional is extremely effective.

And, the audience that ends up sharing this misandric memery is generally not receptive to nuanced, reasoned argument to the contrary once hooked.

Oh I'm Aeons old? Neat, I thought I was 20. Glad to hear I benefitted from all that patriarchy in my past lives, guess it only makes sense I pay my just deserts now, to women who themselves must have also had past lives and experienced Aeons of discrimination at my personal hand.

Yeah and as a millennial I'm thrilled to have to clean up the boomer's messes but we don't get to choose what we inherit unfortunately and yes, we do have to pay the debts of our ancestors whether we like it or not.

> Yeah and as a millennial

Yeah I think everyone can kinda tell lol

I'm still not sure if your profile and website are satire or not. A bit too on the nose (typical big-3 U.S. city liberal selfhating millenial white "male-feminist" who likes nerdy things like Star Trek and virtue signalling online, it checks every box lol)

> I'm thrilled to have to clean up the boomer's messes but we don't get to choose what we inherit unfortunately

The vast majority of Women's Suffrage occurred multiple generations before boomers were even born, how is this their issue either? Arguably they're the ones that kept in motion how things are now, in that the dynamic has been totally reversed.

> and yes, we do have to pay the debts of our ancestors whether we like it or not.

What debt, exactly? And how is flipping the discrimination 'paying it back'? Is the expectation that we keep the women-only programs and opportunities for an Aeon to "cancel out" the Aeon of "male dominance", despite the fact that it doesn't (and can't) impact those who supposedly benefitted during that time (as they're dead)?

I think you'll find that predictably, "revenge for the original sin of your ancestors" is not a super popular concept among young people who never even lived to experience those supposed benefits.

Yesh - glad we could have this conversation that didn't devolve into ad hominem attacks.

Original Sin has had a surprising resurgence among the sociologically schooled in these times...

So let's push this forward a little bit. Do you think that the world that you're going to hand off to your children is going to have equality, equal rights for all, great health care for everyone, and racial harmony?

Because what's going to happen is you're eventually going to get a little bit older and the next generation is going to say, "I'm sick and tired of cleaning up the millennials' messes" and that'll be because they're young, and they're not familiar with how messy the world is, and they think the mess is some kind of unusual abberation.

And if you're lucky, some of them will resent you personally because you're part of that generation. That's what I meant when I said, in my other comment replying to you, that conflating the group and the individual is not constructive.

You've structured your thinking such that it seems that you're not able to tease apart the distinction between the individual and the group. This is a very dangerous mistake that I think a lot of the rhetoric over the past 20 years has encouraged a whole generation to engage in, but it's deeply divisive and unconstructive.

Telling one of the millions of poor white men that they have zero perspective or awareness because they want help because they are suicidal doesn't help them.

In the end, this entire framing is a mistake. It's always the rich versus the poor, and the rich love to have the poor arguing among themselves about who's causing the problems. People need to work together.