Re:Children of Men: The Future Is a Mirror for the Present
by lotsofpulp on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:15PM
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>We don't need a child or 5 to take care of us when we're older, we have a 401k and an HSA for that. There are pros and cons there.
Automation notwithstanding, a 401k and HSA merely represents a portion of labor from someone else’s child(ren).
Re:Children of Men: The Future Is a Mirror for the Present
by ericmay on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:13PM
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Well you can abstract it a bit and just say that anything you buy or own is a portion of someone else's labor, even automation, because someone owns the machine or built it.
But I think that it's still different from having kids who help you. The 401k (and similar style schemes) are primarily a western phenomenon. Without them we'd have to have a lot more children, I think.
That wouldn't make any sense, because if it were true then we wouldn't have seen the population explosion take off under a primarily dominant global capitalist economy in the first place. The ability to distribute goods and services in a decentralized way and accompanying technological advances which are supported by market opportunities focused on profit have paved the way for the 8+ billion people on the planet who are almost all living in much better conditions than most human beings throughout history.
With respect to birth rates I believe there are a lot of factors at play, but one which is perhaps the largest is the substitution of the family unit with the state. Even as little as 100 years ago we were a lot more family-oriented with much of that seeming to dissolve recently. We don't need a child or 5 to take care of us when we're older, we have a 401k and an HSA for that. There are pros and cons there.
The mix of factors influencing declining birthrates I would argue depend on the country. South Korea is a homogenous country of 50+ million about the size of Indiana. There are too many people for too few opportunities and everyone wants the good life. That's why people are spending their life savings on tutors for their children, unlike the United States perhaps where while we have quite a number of people living we are the world's most diverse country and here we have (for now) enough opportunity for folks to pursue careers, start new businesses, and such.