What do you think that list proves? Something more than the LLM being a multiplier of man hours? Have you checked the code or waited to see the severity of bugs? Do you even know which kind of issues Asahi dealt with in the past like the ones related to the speakers that the "dev with an LLM" or the LLM itself would have never guessed existed?

It's ok, here, read the speakers section: https://asahilinux.org/2024/01/fedora-asahi-new/

And also, I see many people forgetting that someone has been accused of taking code from unreleased branches for new features and adding it to the rest as its own.

I'm definitely not anti-genAI since that allows me to focus only on the less boring things but man, some people sound like they never wrote a line of code in their life, zero respect for years of work of someone else.

> some people

I guess you're talking about me

> sound like they never wrote a line of code in their life

I see. Well, I have, quite a few.

> zero respect for years of work of someone else

Unclear how "respect" is supposed to manifest in this case. Not contributing to open source? Not forking or extending open source?

> They could have tried building that form scratch... and instead... I wonder why.

They could have started from zero, reading the Apple specs and probing the hardware to discover how it works, rather than extending existing code? Why would anyone do that? Surely the goal is to ship software, not chase purity.

No, I'm not talking about you, whoever has really wrote code with at least a modicum of complexity will respect the work of others that did the same.

> Not contributing to open source? Not forking or extending open source?

What? Are you really asking? You keep ignoring that Asahi pointed out some dishonest behavior like integrating parts of code from unreleased branches and so on.

> They could have started from zero, reading the Apple specs and probing the hardware to discover how it works, rather than extending existing code? Why would anyone do that? Surely the goal is to ship software, not chase purity.

There are no apple specs. The hypothetic "could" means nothing.

> "Why would anyone do that?"

They wouldn't. Because they are not capable of doing it.

> Surely the goal is to ship software, not chase purity.

Ok, so they take what they want and are free to criticize those who gifted them the source like idiots. No decency.

The concept above was quite simple: You take code from someone? In addition to following the license also show some appreciations for those that saved you months if not years of development and bug fixing.

Man brought politics into this conversation. You sir are being a moron.

> they are not capable of doing it.

So someone who leverages tools is incapable of doing something? To make a good meal, I must raise my own cows instead of going to the butcher.

Anyway, if you do not like AI. That is fine. But do not tell the rest of the world how they are allowed to use it. Some of the most talented people use and leverage AI to increase their velocity. Does that make it slop? What a silly view of the world.

Also stop bringing nationalities and politics into things. It's moronic and makes you look like an idiot.

> Man brought worldviews into this conversation.

Brought what? What does that even mean? Don't daydream on what others think kid and try to come up with better opinions. This whole exchange was a complete waste of time, and the silly stuff you just attempted to write is just the cherry on top.

Imagine trying to explain that you should respect the upstream code YOU TOOK FOR FREE to a guy that I hope was playing dumb.

What a time to be alive, full blown idiocracy, even worse than the movie. I hope that AI (that I don't use as a meat proxy) will help me reduce this kind of interactions.

You, go out an play with the other morons.

Respectfully, you are the moron.

You just wrote word slop. It's ironic you want AI to help reduce these kind of interactions, because so do I. It'll help you understand what is going on, or at least help you write your thoughts so you can actually articulate them well.

Ok stranger, stop commenting, I know you just started but it's already time to stop.

Sorry, I am actually of the personal opinion asahi should use AI to catch up to the latest processors and hardware. But for the purpose of the argument, I took their preferences as a given. The point I was making was that it doesn't accomplish their aims