most would appreciate the roundabout discussion format, so i respect that youve put effort into decorum, and i should do well to behave similarly. if its ok with you im more interested in cutting to the point based on inferring your position (please forgive if ive done so incorrectly). my issue with desegregating gender roles is that theoretically this choice is moral, in practice humans are happy to optimize into doing whats most comfortable, resulting in doubling of competition for easy jobs previously associated to any particular gender, and a halving of competition for corresponding hard jobs. regardless, we can push a particular moral set all we like, its still men in the mines and women taking care of kids. there are probably a few issues im not seeing which youre welcome to elucidate.