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Re:Qwen 3.8 27B on my laptop can interpret model weights, too by ActorNightly on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @03:10PM (#50357499)
Gemma4:31b is better. Qwen is really good at speed (especially with megakernels), but if its going in a wrong direction, it will go in the wrong direction hard. Gemma can self correct.

The only reason Qwen is more popular is because it can run decently fast on MLX, while Gemma needs a discrete GPU with 24gb of ram to run at usable speeds.

Re:Qwen 3.8 27B on my laptop can interpret model weights, too by clusterhacks on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @03:54PM (#50358049)
...especially with megakernels...

I don't understand why megakernels haven't become the default choice. The speed advantage is crazy. I made a few changes to the openjet megakernel to run in a dual gpu (older gen, not blackwell) box and doubled my token generation speed on qwen3.8-27B (4-bit though).

I keep debating adding a third matching gpu to see if I can push the speed a bit more and move back to the 8-bit quant, but I'm stuck on the idea of just building a Blackwell gpu system despite the cost factor. Plus a third gpu is going to going to be weird for the tensor split and P2P data syncs and my workstation is old with 3rd gen PCIe etc etc.

Re:Qwen 3.8 27B on my laptop can interpret model weights, too by ActorNightly on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @04:10PM (#50358238)
Architectures (like Gemma4) have things like sliding window attention that make it pretty impractical to do on a GPU, you would have to do additional things to make it work, and the talent to do that, even with LLM assistance is very small.
Re:Qwen 3.8 27B on my laptop can interpret model weights, too by clusterhacks on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @06:44PM (#50359794)
Ah, that makes sense. I haven't bothered to look at current low-level NN architecture details. I'm a little surprised that there isn't a bumper crop of relatively well-informed talent to do gpgpu work. Although, when if I think about it, it has always been a little bit of a niche area.
Re:Qwen 3.8 27B on my laptop can interpret model weights, too by beachsidebunnie on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @04:01PM (#50358131)
The context window left on my 24GB card with Gemma is to low to do any major task though. Maybe small diffs or a single direct task. But Qwen has enough context for agentic tasks.
Re:Qwen 3.8 27B on my laptop can interpret model weights, too by ActorNightly on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @10:13PM (#50361122)
32k context on my 3090 runs fine.
Re:Qwen 3.8 27B on my laptop can interpret model weights, too by DavidSchor on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @07:04AM (#50364432)
32k context is quite limited in agentic context. Qwen 3.8 27b is much better in agentic and coding workflows. Gemma4 31b is much better in general assistant and language focused workflows.
Re:Qwen 3.8 27B on my laptop can interpret model weights, too by t0mas88 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @05:00PM (#50358829)
Realistically a 32GB card is what you need to run Gemma4:31b well. Doing it in 24GB leaves almost no room for context / KV cache.
Re:Qwen 3.8 27B on my laptop can interpret model weights, too by ActorNightly on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @10:13PM (#50361120)
32k context is plenty fine. thats 50 pages of single spaced text
Re:Qwen 3.8 27B on my laptop can interpret model weights, too by leansensei on Friday November 06, 2026 @02:45PM (#50397388)
Not if you preserve reasoning in the KV cache, 32k ctx is nothing.