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Re:Show HN: Subvocal – Talk to your computer without making ... by willio58 on Monday November 02, 2026 @12:35PM (#50340401)
> There was this really interesting one where it reads your lips

This is what I thought the original post was about. The glasses you have to wear is where that lost me.

If we could get lip-reading via your computer/phone camera down perfectly, that's the real win. Making people wear your goofy frames is where you lose a massive portion of people. Nobody wants to look like Zuckerberg lol

Re:Show HN: Subvocal – Talk to your computer without making ... by aarushyadav on Monday November 02, 2026 @12:41PM (#50340505)
Lip reading is one of the other modalities we tried as well beyond IMU, EMG and RF! We worked a lot on fine tuning Auto-AVSR, one of the most commonly used open source lipreading models. It's very enticing to work on, since it gets to about 17% word error rate, which looks good enough that you would think working on it further would get it down to product quality, but we found there's an information-theoretic limit on the modality. Speech has 40 phonemes, but only about 12 to 15 visemes (externally visually separable phonetic states). For example P and B look very similar from a camera. This causes the scaling laws on lipreading to flatten out at an error that's too high to be product ready but just low enough to make for a good demo. Our original plan was actually to ship a lipreading software to see if people would want this behavior, but we realized you couldn't make lipreading work!
Re:Show HN: Subvocal – Talk to your computer without making ... by theturtletalks on Monday November 02, 2026 @01:07PM (#50340929)
Now that is insightful! The demo definitely fooled me and even the first repo requires you to train the model.

Lip reading AI would be pretty big since privacy would probably go out the window.

Re:Show HN: Subvocal – Talk to your computer without making ... by tmsh on Monday November 02, 2026 @01:50PM (#50341661)
but can't a decision model or some other model deduce "P" or "B" based on the context (i.e., previous words said)?

reminds me of tesla fsd v. waymo. may be a market for both? i.e., camera-only or camera + specific hardware.

Re:Show HN: Subvocal – Talk to your computer without making ... by aarushyadav on Monday November 02, 2026 @02:09PM (#50341969)
Not well enough! You can get to 15-20%ish WER but going beyond that doesn't seem feasible with the info available from a camera, even with a great language model
Re:Show HN: Subvocal – Talk to your computer without making ... by tmsh on Monday November 02, 2026 @05:29PM (#50344904)
Cool thanks for the reply. And congrats on the launch here.
Re:Show HN: Subvocal – Talk to your computer without making ... by altcognito on Monday November 02, 2026 @01:33PM (#50341361)
Why not a pencil in the ear or something you can put in a shirt pocket? Or even earbuds?
Re:Show HN: Subvocal – Talk to your computer without making ... by zie on Monday November 02, 2026 @12:56PM (#50340749)
Any deaf/HoH person who has tried to do lipreading could have told you all of this too.

Good luck on the project!