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Re:It wasn't AI that flipped Proton's charge by nlitened on Sunday November 01, 2026 @04:05PM (#50329881)
This is bullshit. How would people know that a new cafe has opened without advertising? Those greedy baristas and bakers, trying to leave poor customers poorer for enjoying a morning coffee with croissant.
Re:It wasn't AI that flipped Proton's charge by salawat on Sunday November 01, 2026 @04:09PM (#50329923)
Implying even having the budget for prolific advertising isn't a signal that something is already on the value extraction slide.
Re:It wasn't AI that flipped Proton's charge by vrganj on Sunday November 01, 2026 @04:07PM (#50329895)
By talking to their neighbors? By walking past it?

What are you talking about??

Re:It wasn't AI that flipped Proton's charge by tomrod on Sunday November 01, 2026 @04:08PM (#50329915)
The cafe putting up a sign, hours, and a menu in the window are forms of advertising. Based on your other comment, I suspect you are painting with a brush of "all" when you mean digital advertising or targeted digital advertising.
Re:It wasn't AI that flipped Proton's charge by vrganj on Sunday November 01, 2026 @04:11PM (#50329941)
I think if you extend it to be that broad, then sure, those specific examples are fine and exempt from my above statement.

But offline advertising generally isn't exempt. Screw billboards cluttering up cities. Screw flyers cluttering up my mailbox. Screw print ads cluttering up magazines.

It's all an assault on the senses in service of extraction. It's a non-consensual invasion of the mind.

Re:It wasn't AI that flipped Proton's charge by tomrod on Sunday November 01, 2026 @05:07PM (#50330428)
While we are approaching this with different modes, we broadly agree that advertising is cognitive pollution.
Re:It wasn't AI that flipped Proton's charge by jemmyw on Monday November 02, 2026 @01:43AM (#50333792)
I don't think I've ever seen an advert for a cafe and then gone to that cafe. I guess the listings on Google maps might be counted as an ad, but I've ended up adding plenty of cafe's to maps after visiting so I don't know if those entries are added by the businesses or by customers.
Re:It wasn't AI that flipped Proton's charge by tomrod on Monday November 02, 2026 @07:46AM (#50336096)
In the pure economics/marketing sense, a Google Maps listing is an advertisement.

I expect for most people that these forms of advertising - directory listings, basic notifications, etc. - aren't a level of cognitive pollution that they notice vs. overly bright billboards, banner ads, search injects, or LLM-injected marginally relevant sources.

Re:It wasn't AI that flipped Proton's charge by vrganj on Monday November 02, 2026 @08:53AM (#50336817)
Yes, I see what you're getting at, and those aren't really what I take issue with.

I think generally, the issue is around consent and who initiates the information transfer. If I'm actively looking for something, a listing of options is useful. If I look at a shop window, I am actively looking to see what the shop is selling.

It's the non-consensual invasion of my mental space I take issue with. It's like somebody violently shaking you going "BUY BUY BUY".