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Re:A tiny Pacific country rolls out universal basic income by _heimdall on Sunday November 01, 2026 @07:54AM (#50325186)
The government should have an obligation to not waste our money. Let's start with balancing the budget, letting elected Congress again hold the purse stings and war responsibilities, then we can talk about more spending.

I can't justify more debt spending because we already waste money on stuff I disagree with.

Re:A tiny Pacific country rolls out universal basic income by no-name-here on Sunday November 01, 2026 @08:15AM (#50325361)
The US has by far the lowest spending (fed + state + local) among the major advanced economies in the world. [1]

The US also has by far the lowest taxes (fed + state + local) among them too; in fact, the US could have raised taxes by more than 15% and still been lowest. [2]

Regardless, if someone does believe spending should be cut, what specifically should be cut, and what % of the 11.5T/y [3] gov spending does it add up to?

[1] https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/weo-database/2025/Ap...

[2] https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/weo-database/2025/ap...

[3] https://www.bea.gov/data/government/receipts-and-expenditure...

Re:A tiny Pacific country rolls out universal basic income by _heimdall on Sunday November 01, 2026 @03:36PM (#50329553)
The US was literally founded over concerns related to large governments and governments gaining too much power. The idea we have some of the lowest spending as a percentage of GDP shouldn't be surprising, its originally by design.

I also don't really care how much other countries choose to spend, that's their choice and I shouldn't have a say in that.

I wouldn't begin to say I have the answers or prescriptions to what should be cut, there's plenty of data I don't even have access to. From my experience with both local and federal governments, though, there is plenty of waste in the US that could be handled without even impacting the end result our programs are intended to deliver.

Re:A tiny Pacific country rolls out universal basic income by no-name-here on Sunday November 01, 2026 @09:58PM (#50332629)
1. You make strong definitive statements like "there is plenty of waste" that could be cut "without even impacting" programs' results, but then can't actually quantify it? How can you make strong definitive statements if you simultaneously say "I wouldn't begin to say I have the answers or prescriptions to what should be cut"?

2. Regardless, is there any national politician who has named and quantified the items that they would cut that you support? As this seems to be a large, long-running problem within the right ('news', politicians, etc.) where they will make significant claims about wanting to cut gov spending without ever actually naming the programs they want to end and what % of the ~11T/y spending it adds up to.

3. You pointed to how when the US was set up in the 1700s that the government had different goals, and that there were wildly different expectations of what government provided for its citizens. Do you think the expectations of what the government provided in the 1700s are still relevant for what US citizens expect (or demand) of government services in the 21st century?

4. Every program will have some waste and abuse, and organizations typically then spend money to combat the waste and abuse. Sometimes the cost of fighting the waste and abuse, and/or the increased bureaucracy and overhead to prevent the issues in the first place, even exceed the costs of the waste and abuse that is being combatted. But my point is that even if waste exists, the 'cure' might be worse than the 'disease' in terms of increased costs, increased bureaucracy/oversight, etc. I'm not even necessarily opposed to those increased costs, bureaucracy, etc. in order to combat the possibly-smaller-costing waste and abuse, but it's certainly not as simple as "___ exists, so we can spend less by just not doing that."

Re:A tiny Pacific country rolls out universal basic income by krapp on Sunday November 01, 2026 @08:11AM (#50325326)
In theory I agree with you.

In practice every time someone goes to Washington to "clean house" the first things to get gutted are welfare and funding for science and research, because unfortunately a lot of Americans consider all of that to be waste. Never the military, never the police, never the pork.

Re:A tiny Pacific country rolls out universal basic income by intrasight on Sunday November 01, 2026 @08:41AM (#50325612)
If states can require balanced budgets, I see no reason why the federal government can't be required to as well
Re:A tiny Pacific country rolls out universal basic income by krapp on Sunday November 01, 2026 @08:55AM (#50325730)
I'm not arguing that the federal government can't be required to balance the budget. I'm arguing that cutting social spending and science and research in order to balance the budget should not be allowed, and that social spending shouldn't be contingent on a balanced budget.
Re:A tiny Pacific country rolls out universal basic income by intrasight on Monday November 02, 2026 @08:45AM (#50336724)
Only entitlements are protected from the austerity budget cutting acts. Social spending and science don't fall into the entitlement category.
Re:A tiny Pacific country rolls out universal basic income by jghn on Sunday November 01, 2026 @09:02AM (#50325786)
That’s not at all the point they raised?
Re:A tiny Pacific country rolls out universal basic income by _heimdall on Sunday November 01, 2026 @03:38PM (#50329589)
All of those programs have to be on the table. We can only afford what we can afford, that means a combination of increasing revenues, clearing out wasted spending, and reducing expenses by cutting programs.
Re:A tiny Pacific country rolls out universal basic income by krapp on Monday November 02, 2026 @07:18AM (#50335835)
Somehow we can always afford a military several orders of magnitude beyond what's necessary for self defense, we can always afford a global surveillance infrastructure, we can always afford the infinite pit of black budget programs.

But for everything else - anything with the stink of "empathy" on it - every penny has to be justified. We cut USAID and destroyed a useful source of soft power and intelligence and killed hundreds of thousands of people because the program helped gay and transgender people in some way. We cut funding to HHS, welfare, science, education, infrastructure and the environment. And then we approved the biggest military budget in history. Netanyahu makes a phone call and we burn $3 billion dollars a month on a war with Iran without a second thought or an end in sight.

So I respectfully disagree. Under a fair and impartial system you would be correct, but American politics is neither. Every program isn't on the table. Every attempt to balance the books is nakedly partisan and punitive.

Re:A tiny Pacific country rolls out universal basic income by jghn on Sunday November 01, 2026 @09:01AM (#50325779)
Let’s start by cutting the military budget (including all the ways they indirectly fund the military) by at least half
Re:A tiny Pacific country rolls out universal basic income by _heimdall on Sunday November 01, 2026 @03:37PM (#50329571)
I known I don't have nearly enough information to know if that's feasible or advisable, I assume you don't either. Though yes, I would like it if we didn't need such a large military and I take issue with the concept of a standing military during peace time in general.