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Re:The recently proposed o(n log n) integer multiplication a... by david-gpu on Friday October 23, 2026 @05:58AM (#50206608)
> doesn't necessarily demonstrate any kind of real understanding

That is an unfalsifiable non-argument, a thought-terminating cliché.

Re:The recently proposed o(n log n) integer multiplication a... by fc417fc802 on Friday October 23, 2026 @10:59AM (#50210183)
Not at all. It's an open question and it's also probably semantically ambiguous. It's cliche to the extent that recently it comes up repeatedly. Regardless of all that it's nonetheless a valid question.
Re:The recently proposed o(n log n) integer multiplication a... by david-gpu on Friday October 23, 2026 @02:42PM (#50213561)
Please go ahead and provide a working definition of what "understanding" means, in a way that an information processing system can be objectively classified as "understanding" or "non-understanding".

Bonus points if it is able to discriminate between human understanding and nonhuman understanding, without vaguely referring to biology.

Failing that, the question seems to me unfalsifiable as per Popper.

Re:The recently proposed o(n log n) integer multiplication a... by fc417fc802 on Friday October 23, 2026 @04:29PM (#50214883)
You seem to be agreeing with me. I said it's an open question so expecting me to rigorously answer it in an HN comment is quite absurd, no?

There's nothing unfalsifiable about pointing out that we don't know something.

Closely related, "is this machine conscious" is an important question when it comes to ethics yet runs into the exact same problem. Yet you can hopefully see the issue with blindly deciding in either direction on that one.

Re:The recently proposed o(n log n) integer multiplication a... by david-gpu on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:36PM (#50217597)
It's not just an open question. It's such a fundamentally vague and imprecise concept, that it is not approachable, even in principle. Just like consciousness, as you correctly point out.

We don't have a tool or a ruleset to determine whether something is "conscious" or "has real understanding", as the other user put it. And, thus, the statement "X has real understanding" is unfalsifiable.

It is also a thought-terminating cliche [0], because by opening that can of worms the conversation is automatically derailed, as we just saw exemplified here.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A...