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Re:How to Train Your Robot by ACCount39 on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @02:40AM (#50162197)
Your reply to my comment downstairs got chewed up by HN. Maybe some sort of LLM detector thought you're speaking too much like an AI?

The reason why I'm not "team sensors" is that we're nowhere near to being able to as much as squeeze out even one mid-range camera sensor for all its worth. Things like AI assisted scene reconstruction show just how much data is there in even a small series of photos - when the AI is there to back the raw measurements with sensible assumptions.

The difference between "a plausible reconstruction" and "an accurate measurement" is academical rather than practical. You never get perfectly accurate measurements (because real world sucks), so a well designed "plausible reconstruction" will often have better error averages AND bounds than a naive measurements-first pipeline - simply by taking better advantage of spatial and temporal redundancies. Adding more assumptions to the pipe from there gives you even better performance.

I expect approximately none of the near-term gains in robotics performance to come from the sensors themselves. There's still room for improvements there, mind. There is some cool sensor tech that could result in a better performance ceiling. But we're nowhere near that "sensor ceiling".

Today's robotics sensors are so far ahead of what robotics AI can reliably utilize that trying to push for "we need better sensors" is a mistake in nearly every case.

Re:How to Train Your Robot by aeonik on Friday October 23, 2026 @03:23PM (#50214084)
I agree with everything you state about squeezing data out of sensors.

But, I also run into a LOT of cases where I need better sensors too. I just don't see them as mutually exclusive.

I did stick my comment into an LLM, annoying, I hand wrote the entire comment, and had it fact check my statements. Here is my original unmodified comment:

    Eh, there's too much here for me to give a proper reply.

    I agree with a lot of what you said, and I'm on team sensor, but I've been studying how the eye works and processes info.

    A *system* of many sensors can cover larger ground for sure... But I'm very interested in compact systems that can be better than the eye or ear, I know we can do it, I just haven't seen it yet.

     Also, AI and/or filtering can't give you data that wasn't picked up by the sensor in the first place.

     There are limits in the sensor, and there are also limits in getting the data off the sensor. That's true for biology and hardware.

    I'm pretty excited to get my hands of Quantum Dot cameras for example, but even they don't have the same Dynamic Range as the human eye, but could probably beat it with clever systems engineering.