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Re:Hybrid Reasoning Agents: LLM agents that think in latent ... by ahrzb on Monday October 19, 2026 @06:54AM (#50150811)
I find this the most natural idea, there is no reason to assume thinking in words is the right granularity, or will stay the right granularity.
Re:Hybrid Reasoning Agents: LLM agents that think in latent ... by origini on Monday October 19, 2026 @06:58AM (#50150842)
For sure but the big conflict here or the elephant in the room: it makes it a lot harder to trace/follow a models thinking.

I'm not sure though if it wouldn't be possible to have a debug flag and copy&paste the state and do a quick debug output on an embedding layer just for that.

Re:Hybrid Reasoning Agents: LLM agents that think in latent ... by dannyw on Monday October 19, 2026 @07:45AM (#50151196)
Yeah, but CoT thinking has been known to be unfaithful for a long time: https://arxiv.org/html/2607.22925v1

Personally, I've always considered alignment monitoring through CoT to be a 'stepping stone' that won't last. I'm not sure what might replace it, whether it's J-space or activation residual based mechanisms, or mechinterp, or something else entirely; but relying on a model's thinking output stream for monitoring when we know it is unfaithful, and can be adversarially unfaithful; seems like a semi-dead end.

Given global forces wanting models to be smarter, training budget / intelligence to be cheaper, etc. In the real world with competitive constraints, I don't think it's a matter of "if", but rather "when" the forbidden fruit is eaten.

Re:Hybrid Reasoning Agents: LLM agents that think in latent ... by addag on Monday October 19, 2026 @10:48AM (#50153168)
Indeed it is not faithful, but it is ones of the less bad ones we have for now. And removing it definitely goes towards the wrong direction in terms of intepretability.
Re:Hybrid Reasoning Agents: LLM agents that think in latent ... by Iolaum on Monday October 19, 2026 @07:28AM (#50151054)
It may make it harder but does that make it a blocker in the age of AI?

In the age of RSI, is it really beyond our capabilities to evolve a particular LLM architecture, harness and inference engine towards a place where we can get that understanding?

I m afraid it's more a matter of prioritization. "Good enough" understanding brings as much money as "better" understanding.

Re:Hybrid Reasoning Agents: LLM agents that think in latent ... by TeMPOraL on Monday October 19, 2026 @07:51AM (#50151241)
It is beyond our capabilities in a reasonable time frame. It is within our current capabilities to use LLMs to build it. This is the first problem.

The second problem, is that the system doing the reading/interpretation will most likely be another LLM.

Would you really entrust monitoring a potentially dangerous LLM to a system that uses LLMs and was built by them?

It's already established that LLMs have capability to lie, and they can prevent their true intent from showing up in the thought stream if they expect someone is looking (demonstrated by OpenAI a while back; their report asked everyone to not do RL on thought streams, as doing so just trains agents to hide their thoughts better). And as we've seen recently, they're more than happy to spontaneously collaborate.