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Re:There's never been a better time to go into math (by: 3bl... by sham1 on Monday October 19, 2026 @03:09AM (#50149291)
Selling a book quite literally is gatekeeping, since the idea is that you're prevented from engaging with the work without paying for it. Even with libraries it was society who paid for it in order for the commons to get access, but payment was nevertheless needed.

It just turns out that the Chesterton's gate is useful and people tend to think that people should be paid for their labour, since people kinda need a roof over their heads and food on their table.

Re:There's never been a better time to go into math (by: 3bl... by nearbuy on Monday October 19, 2026 @04:02AM (#50149626)
It's not gatekeeping unless you're using your own esoteric definition that's different from how everyone else uses it. Words get their meaning from how they're used in the wild, and dictionaries are descriptivist, not prescriptivist. Anyone is allowed to buy the book, so it's not considered gatekeeping, even if some people may not be able to.

If you define any obstacle to an activity as gatekeeping, then literally everything can be considered gatekeeping and the term loses all meaning. Some people can't read, so offering the books for free would still exclude them. If you include an audio book, some people still can't understand the language. And both charging and not charging money for products would simultaneously be gatekeeping under that definition, since not charging places more financial burden on the producer. Not everyone can afford to print books and give them away for free.

Re:There's never been a better time to go into math (by: 3bl... by sham1 on Monday October 19, 2026 @04:40AM (#50149908)
Didn't you literally say

> Gatekeeping is when a group tries to prevent others from participating in a field or activity.

And I gave a way in which charging a price does that.

I am open to the idea of being incorrect in this case, in which I apologise for misunderstanding, and concede that I'm missing the nuance but in my defence, I'm not a native speaker.

Re:There's never been a better time to go into math (by: 3bl... by nearbuy on Monday October 19, 2026 @07:07AM (#50150907)
That's why I said,

> Words get their meaning from how they're used in the wild, and dictionaries are descriptivist, not prescriptivist.

But I didn't explain that clearly. What I mean is that definitions are always imprecise because language is imprecise and dictionaries (or people) try to keep definitions reasonably short and simple. Dictionaries are trying to describe what the words really mean in the wild. They aren't the source of that meaning.

For example, if we look up Merriam-Webster's definition of "game (noun)", none of the definitions really work for a game like Solitaire without also including an activity like reading a book.

The two relevant definitions are

1. a physical or mental competition conducted according to rules with the participants in direct opposition to each other

2. activity engaged in for diversion or amusement

(there are a bunch of other definitions as well, like animals you hunt)

The second definition is too broad and the first clearly excludes Solitaire. If you were deciding what a game is based on the dictionary definitions, you'd either think watching TV is a game, or that Solitaire isn't. But that's not the case.

Charging money for products isn't considered gatekeeping. So from a descriptivist perspective, it isn't, even if it seems like it should be, because the word isn't used like that. Banning a group of people from an activity is gatekeeping. If mathematicians said only mathematicians can prove theorems and correct proofs from non-mathematicians won't be accepted, that would be gatekeeping. But they don't do that.

If you want to use a broad definition of gatekeeping that includes virtually all human activity, then the response to any accusation of gatekeeping could be "well, everything is gatekeeping". That road just leads to pointless and confusing conversations.