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Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by redrobot5050 on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @10:29AM (#501491)
My thoughts exactly. And I've been a mac user for 22 years (since I was six).

I was hoping to see something new from the iMac line. Anything. A second display. Upgradeable hard drive. Consumer grade Raid 1 (y'know, like you'd see on a $1500 DELL tower.)

Very little to see here. And a high end iMac makes no sense. At that rate, you're almost buying their quad-core tower.

(But I suppose at the very high end, people don't buy Mac Pros as often as they do Mac Books, because they're usable for very long periods of time.)

Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by rbanffy on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @12:26PM (#501649)
Don't all iMacs support a second display?

Can't you daisy-chain two (or more) external drives in the FW800 port? I do that with FW400 on a PPC iMac. Doesn't OSX support RAID? I am quite sure the server version does.

And, you know, that Dell box will have Windows pre-installed. OSX is so much nicer.

Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by redrobot5050 on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @12:49PM (#501670)
Most iMacs support "Display Mirroring". Yup. Two monitors, in proximity (basically next to each other) showing the exact same thing. Very useful.

(Note: Apple tends to change this every hardware revision. So basically -- every OTHER revision of the iMac supports dual displays.)

I hadn't considered software FW RAID. I don't know if it would be better/worse than SATA RAID chipsets on modern PC motherboards these days. I have a feeling (being software RAID) that it would be slower than hardware RAID 1. And still, saying its capable to jury rig RAID (i mean, c'mon, for an additional fee, I could just buy a FW RAID array and just attach that.) is different from saying it supports it out of the box, like its price-competitive PC counterparts do.

Yes, OS X is nice. But the premiums on the hardware are looking a little dated considering everyone is slashing margins during a recession. OTOH, my Mac Book Pro is doing so well, I don't feel the need to upgrade, so I can afford to wait and buy used.

Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by kylec on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @04:02PM (#501983)
AFAIK, the display mirroring limitation hasn't existed since the switch to Intel. MacTracker indicates that every Intel iMac so far has supported extending the display in addition to mirroring.
Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by redrobot5050 on Wednesday March 04, 2009 @01:08PM (#503174)
That's good to know. Apple is always doing something stupid with one of its product lines. Its current MacBooks dropped firewire. So, a university I know (worked there) won't be ordering new MacBooks because they own so many Firewire only camcorders, and they let the students check out a camcorder and a macbook to make videos for class. Because people are complaining, it will probably come back next incarnation.

And then, after that, it'll probably be taken out.

Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by kylec on Wednesday March 04, 2009 @04:25PM (#503432)
It's been known to happen. The 15" PowerBook G4 came with a FW800 port, but was removed when the 15" MacBook Pro came out. Bowing to public pressure, Apple restored the port to the 15" when they upgraded to Core 2 Duo.
Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by rbanffy on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @01:42PM (#501753)
That mirroring thing is really weird. I remember having extended desktops on the G5 iMacs and I assume no meaningful features were droppped (perhaps HD playback on external monitors).

As for software RAID vs. hardware, current processors are usually so much faster than spinning disks that I suppose hardware RAID exists currently only on very high-end systems. As for the low-end systems, they make the processor do a lot of work, so, that more or less evens the playfield.

Macs also have a much longer useful life. I still use a G3 iMac that has been serving me flawlessly since it left the factory.

Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by randallsquared on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @10:41AM (#501502)
The iMac form factor has its own advantages which offset the extra power of the low-end Mac Pro.
Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by redrobot5050 on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @12:43PM (#501665)
Really? Like what? Like forcing you to throw out the 24 inch LCD when the computer is obsolete? Like a lack of upgradable anything (besides RAM)?

The iMac might have a unique form factor, but it doesn't necessarily convey any advantages other than aesthetics.

Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by randallsquared on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @01:29PM (#501728)
First, aesthetics are not negligible. The iMac has at least two fewer cables, is more easily shifted around, doesn't require finding space on the floor for a tower, takes up very little desk space, and is very quickly packed up for overnight or weekend trips. For people who need to take their computers with them a few times a year, but don't want to make the sacrifices or pay the higher costs for a laptop, it's useful. Just speaking for my own category.