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Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by pmjordan on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @10:25AM (#501484)
Once again the premium you pay for the better models is totally ridiculous. I don't mind paying for quality, but I'm sorry, the difference between a 320GB vs 120GB HDD and 2GB vs 1GB RAM is not worth €200! In fact, I can buy the bigger HDD and RAM for about half that at retail, never mind the difference between the larger and smaller configurations.

I've been playing with the idea of getting a Mac Mini to replace my current media PC which can't handle HD video, but it looks like I'll still need to open it up if I want a decent spec.

Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by CalmQuiet on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @10:51AM (#501509)
"Once again the premium you pay for the better models is totally ridiculous."

Yes, ridiculous for you to pay the premium. But a great opportunity for you if you need a top-tier Mac and know how to upgrade RAM & HD -- which is the only way I buy mine.

From the company's standpoint, it makes sense: lower entry-level price; higher profit margin for items sold to those with more $ than tech-savvy. ::Keeps the company profit margins high while giving the self-upgraders a nice break.

Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by mtalantikite on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @01:33PM (#501737)
It seems like on the new Mac Pros they're making this more difficult. Even if you're comfortable snapping in a few more parts you might have some limits.

If you notice the new RAM/CPU tray, on the quad-core entry level MP they only give you 4 slots for RAM, whereas on the 8 core they give you 8. I'm not sure if there is an extra socket on the tray to pop another CPU in or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if the answer was that you can't.

So it seems like you can't just buy the entry level and upgrade it past the top level on the cheap this time around, which is something to be upset about.

Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by DenisM on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @04:16PM (#502015)
It's not entirely their fault - unlike previous Intel CPUs Nehalem has integrated memory controller. Thus if there is no second CPU there is no easy way to hook up the extra RAM.
Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by pmjordan on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @11:08AM (#501531)
I don't mind too much when it's actually relatively easy to upgrade. (though the attitude annoys me - what the hell am I supposed to recommend to my less tech savvy friends & family?) My white MacBook is currently running a 500GB HDD and 4GB RAM, all of which took me about 10 minutes to install.

With a Mac Mini, I'd need to get special tools (some kind of spatula I believe?) to get the damn thing open, and run a serious risk of ruining my warranty. Same thing for my girlfriend's iMac, at least for the HDD (you need to remove the screen with glass handling equipment apparently) - the RAM is easy at least, which was the main worry, there's always gigabit ethernet and the file server for disk space.

Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by rsayers on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @12:15PM (#501629)
If its anything like the G4 and original Intel Minis (I own and have opened both), 2 putty knives will open it right and leaves no marks.

From discussion I remember reading way back when the g4 mini was originally launched, this will not void the warranty, but take that with a grain of salt.

Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by wildwood on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @03:52PM (#501965)
Re the Mini - that was my experience, too - I'm more than willing to get out the screw drivers to do my own RAM upgrades, but when I need a putty knife just to open the box, I start to get squeamish.
Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by emordnilap on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @04:21PM (#502024)
"...the difference between a 320GB vs 120GB HDD and 2GB vs 1GB RAM is not worth €200!"

I thought the same thing, but it turns out the cheaper one only has 128MB for video, the more expensive one has 256MB.

Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by jonknee on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @11:10AM (#501536)
The exchange rate makes it even worse, they are priced the same in Dollars and Euros. So that €799 model is $1000.
Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by pmjordan on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @11:17AM (#501546)
As a European, I'm already used to being fucked over for exchange rate on imported goods. ;) Don't forget the €599/€799 already include VAT (20% here) which I don't pay if it's a business expense. In this case, I can hardly buy my living room media centre in my business's name though.
Re:Apple revamps the iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with no fanfare by olefoo on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @12:11PM (#501621)
It's a research tool, you're totally going to run Xcode and build iPhone apps on it...