Re:Israeli settlers attack European diplomats in the West Bank
by holgerschurig on Sunday October 18, 2026 @02:29AM
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Actual, the opposite is true. One thing has nothing to do with the other. And it aggravates me whenever this is conflated.
One can be a christian believer and not like what the last absolutist monarch of the monarch (the Pope, monarch of the "Holy Chair" in the Vatikan) does. One can even be roman catholic and not like what the catholic church does, e.g. when they shushed sexual abuse of kids.
And so one can be a jew (religious) and not like what the Israel (secular) government does.
Actually, there are LOTS of sects in the jewish religion. One of them, the ultra-orthodox (actual: charedic) living in Israel, are now in the news. They are now supposed to also go to the military. But some subgroups (Neturei Karta and Edah HaChareidis) of them actually deny the existence right of Israel. Jews not liking the state of Israel, if you so will. They claim that Israel can only exist once the Messiah comes back.
So, one can say that these two subgroups "question" the israelic identity. But that is only a minority of them. The majority, e.g. all the millions that demonstrated against "Bibi" Netanjahu know quite well that a national identity and a religious stance / believe are two different things.
In Germany, in the DLF radio program, they have each friday a short news block made by jewish people. And they all the time conflate these two. They claim that people speaking against the Israel government are against jew, or even anti-semitic. Which is nonsense, see the millions of jewish people in Israel that demonstrated against "Bibi" ...
One can be a christian believer and not like what the last absolutist monarch of the monarch (the Pope, monarch of the "Holy Chair" in the Vatikan) does. One can even be roman catholic and not like what the catholic church does, e.g. when they shushed sexual abuse of kids.
And so one can be a jew (religious) and not like what the Israel (secular) government does.
Actually, there are LOTS of sects in the jewish religion. One of them, the ultra-orthodox (actual: charedic) living in Israel, are now in the news. They are now supposed to also go to the military. But some subgroups (Neturei Karta and Edah HaChareidis) of them actually deny the existence right of Israel. Jews not liking the state of Israel, if you so will. They claim that Israel can only exist once the Messiah comes back.
So, one can say that these two subgroups "question" the israelic identity. But that is only a minority of them. The majority, e.g. all the millions that demonstrated against "Bibi" Netanjahu know quite well that a national identity and a religious stance / believe are two different things.
In Germany, in the DLF radio program, they have each friday a short news block made by jewish people. And they all the time conflate these two. They claim that people speaking against the Israel government are against jew, or even anti-semitic. Which is nonsense, see the millions of jewish people in Israel that demonstrated against "Bibi" ...