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Re:Dropped IE support for Instapaper by ken on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @03:45AM (#501217)
And it's not just bugs, but lack of features. For example, I have requirements for simple 2D graphics with client-side interactivity. If we only had to support Firefox/Safari/Opera/Chrome, we could use SVG, but for users with IE (which has neither SVG or Canvas), that means Flash. Doing simple graphics with Flash is well over 10x more work than just splatting some XML inline into your page (which I've also done for personal side projects).

Consider, for example, that Flash/IE is a completely different plugin than Flash/all-other-browsers. We've definitely had Flash compatibility bugs between major versions, between minor versions, and even between the "same version" on different browsers. I can think of a few that took many of us more than 30 minutes just to trace through, much less come up with a workaround. And all of this only because IE (even IE8, AFAICT) doesn't natively support any kind of client-side graphics.

I don't know where the 30% overhead estimate for IE came from -- maybe a simple site? That sounds really, really low to me. I would put it at least 100% overhead for the kinds of things I do.

Re:Dropped IE support for Instapaper by jasonkester on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @06:28PM (#502220)
You're mistaken. IE has had SVG support since IE5, long before Safari and Firefox introduced Canvas. And the nice kids at Google have built a little library that lets you emulate most Canvas functionality via SVG:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/iecanvas

Re:Dropped IE support for Instapaper by ken on Thursday March 05, 2009 @06:28PM (#504926)
(At first I thought this was a joke, but it's up to +4.)

I think you're mistaken. I tried IE6 and IE7 just now, and they don't do SVG (though it nicely offers to save the file).

I think you're thinking of something called "VML". IE does have that, but it's not the same as SVG, not as full-featured as SVG, and nobody else supports it. Maybe that would solve some of my problems, but I'd never even heard of it before -- though I'm sure checking it out now!

I think the URL you meant to post was <http://code.google.com/p/explorercanvas/>. I looked at the source, and it uses VML, not SVG.

Re:Dropped IE support for Instapaper by jasonkester on Friday March 06, 2009 @06:37PM (#506107)
Thanks for that. I'll update my acronym from here on out.

"IE does V" is pretty much all I was trying to convey. Good luck!