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Re:US Man Given Prison Sentence for Bot-Farming Music Streams by gruez on Thursday October 08, 2026 @05:22PM (#50012485)
IANAL, but...

>a) I block or skip ads in media I consume

>b) 1000 people block or skip ads in media they consume

Not doing something is generally considered okay, even if it decreases someone else's revenue. eg. saying that a given product is a scam and not worth the money (assuming it's true). Same with skipping ads (eg. TiVo)

>c) I convince 1000 humans to play my songs every day and all of them listen to the ads

>d) I convince 1000 of humans to play my songs every day and all of them skip the ads

Legal, because the whole point of advertising is to convince people to do something, even if it costs someone else money (eg. drugs, which might cost your insurance provider money). Where you might get into trouble is if the actions turn out to be fraud, eg. telling people to stream music, even though no one's listening to it, for the sole purpose of getting streaming minutes, or setting up a kickback scheme (might be tortious interference). Again, going back to the drug example, it's pretty intuitive. Advertising a drug? That's fine. Telling people to buy your drug, just so they can chuck it into the trash, for the sole purpose of enriching yourself? Probably illegal.

Re:US Man Given Prison Sentence for Bot-Farming Music Streams by autoexec on Thursday October 08, 2026 @09:25PM (#50014836)
> telling people to stream music, even though no one's listening to it, for the sole purpose of getting streaming minutes

How is that fundamentally different from netflix or youtube auto-playing something after a video finishes, knowing that a large percentage of the people who started the first video won't be present or attentive to the second, in order to artificially inflate views for the content they're promoting.

Re:US Man Given Prison Sentence for Bot-Farming Music Streams by gruez on Thursday October 08, 2026 @09:52PM (#50015023)
1. the auto-play does eventually stop, presumably because they need to maintain some semblance of legitimacy to advertisers

2. caveat emptor. how youtube works and how ads are played is hardly secret information, so accusations that google is deceiving advertisers (not just providing a subpar product) is hard to make.

3. people have tried suing companies for this, but they were over securities fraud rather than deceiving ad buyers. No idea how successful they were though. it's worth noting that suing for securities fraud is easier because unlike with advertising, you have to declare risk factors, hence why every company's prospectus lists all potential list factors under the sun.

Re:US Man Given Prison Sentence for Bot-Farming Music Streams by Guvante on Friday October 09, 2026 @12:36AM (#50016026)
Intent is fundamental to all criminal cases

The intent of auto play on YouTube is not to defraud ad agencies

Re:US Man Given Prison Sentence for Bot-Farming Music Streams by wredcoll on Friday October 09, 2026 @01:18AM (#50016279)
What is the full intention of enabling autoplay by default?
Re:US Man Given Prison Sentence for Bot-Farming Music Streams by Guvante on Friday October 09, 2026 @01:29AM (#50016354)
To keep the user engaged since "doing nothing" is the default action for people
Re:US Man Given Prison Sentence for Bot-Farming Music Streams by dcow on Friday October 09, 2026 @12:54AM (#50016137)
I wasn’t detailed enough. What I was actually curious about is whether it mattered that bots were used.

d.1) convince humans and they use their main account

d.2) convince humans and they use and alt account

I think the resolution to my question is: it’s still fraud if humans do it, like you said. And it makes me wonder if more things should be considered fraud like paying people with free products for Amazon reviews or purchasing GH stars.