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Re:AI 'godfather' LeCun has 'zero concerns' about human exti... by jibalt on Monday October 05, 2026 @02:16PM (#49968416)
Bizarro responses. The "usually means" is what people IN kindergarten (or rather those at that level of maturity) mean by category mistake, it's not what informed intellectually honest people mean by it. It seems clear that my correspondent has no idea what it means and is simply lashing out.

It's a category mistake because thinking like we do requires a certain sort of algorithm or one operationally equivalent to it, whereas things that are Turing-complete include Befunge-98 and C++ templates. While something being Turing-complete implies that the cognitive algorithm could be implemented with it, clearly the categories are incorrect.

Note that, while the set of all LLMs with CoT covers Turing completeness, a specific LLM with CoT is only Turing-complete if it has the right weights, but training does not produce such LLMs. Note also that there are no UTMs in the real world since that requires unbounded resources. This is true all digital computers and well as brains so is not a fatal blow to LLMs, but the resource limitations play out very differently in LLMs and brains.

As for the dead troll comment, not only is it a foolish ad hominem on its face, it's quite false -- I'm an atheist and do not believe in souls.

Re:AI 'godfather' LeCun has 'zero concerns' about human exti... by red75prime on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @01:28AM (#49974555)
The original claim is "They’re fundamentally not suited to thinking like we do."

> but training does not produce such LLMs

If we are talking about fundamental limitations it should not be an empirical observation: "does not produce" (which is factually wrong, BTW). It should be a fundamental limitation: "can not produce in principle."

I still don't understand what you are talking about when you say "category mistake." I was talking about computational capabilities of LLMs with CoT that their training can exploit, not about Befunge-98.

Re:AI 'godfather' LeCun has 'zero concerns' about human exti... by jibalt on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @02:31PM (#49982256)
> I still don't understand

Not my problem.

Re:AI 'godfather' LeCun has 'zero concerns' about human exti... by red75prime on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @08:45PM (#49986386)
Whatever, then. It's totally in line with what I described as a typical usage of "category error".